Friday, November 30, 2007
Posted by:
Kevin McCullough
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11:19 AM
PAUL-pot
PaulPots (Supporters of Ron Paul) have no sense of humor, and get quasi-blood-vessel-bursting-in-my-temple crazy if you dare to criticize the Congressman who likes to blink his eyes and ignore the War On Terror.
Evidently Paul was absent on 9/11. Doesn't seem to think that Islamic Terrorists have uttered a vow to kill Americans. Doesn't seem to be aware that they signed a fatwa to eliminate us prior to 9/11, nor does he seem to know that once Islamic fatwas are signed that they will not stop - until the objective is fulfilled.
Maybe Paul is an historical ignoramus that does not realize that one of the very first international wars we fought in the early-mid 1800s was against the forefathers of the Islamic freak jobs that have targeted us now.
Whatever they do NOT understand - one thing they very much do is how to network and display their irrational anger... thus my inbox today:
Your assessment of the CNN/Youtube debate shows that your understanding of American history is severely lacking as well as your understanding of the world today. You also fail to understand what this country is all about or what it means to be American. If you'd like, I have some books that I can recommend for you. By the way, Rudy (or any other GOP handpicked puppet candidate) does not have a chance in hell at beating Hillary. Ron Paul 2008!
~Kevin Hurd, PaulPot since 2007 (kevinshurd@earthlink.net)
Ron Paul will show you in the primaries. Bastard!
~Thomas Rambo, PaulPot since 2007 (rambo.world@gmail.com)
Why must you show your ignorance by calling Ron Paul a crackpot over and over, as if your opinion is anymore valid than the next persons. I will never use any products that advertise on your program or websites, and I will be emailing all of them to tell them this.. plus, I will be posting this on the Ron Paul message boards so others can do the same. If you want to act like a three year old and call people names like you are on the kindergarten playground, then go ahead.. I will politely protest your foul attitude by not cozying up to the people who pay your bills.
~Bryan Thompson, PaulPot since at least a week ago (bryan.k.thompson@gmail.com)
Cool Bryan thanks for the promo, I was hoping the PaulPots could be introduced to the MuscleHeads!
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The Lovely Bride won't change the channel! |
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http://www.frontpagemag.com/blog/Default.aspx
"From Ron Paul's interview on the Bloomberg Report "The greatest threat to the nation, Paul said, is an overextension of the U.S. military and ''involvement in places we shouldn't be.'' Terrorism shouldn't be fought by waging war on nations, he said. Terrorists are ''just hoodlums and convicts, so to speak, but we incite them with our foreign policy,'' he said."
"These comments betray an ignorance of the world we live in worthy of Naomi Wolf, and explain perhaps why he can regard his own country as the main threat in the war on terror. It also shows why the "old Right wing" of the Republican Party he says he inhabits is a growing menace."
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Maybe they have no sense of humor because you call them "crackpots".
Incidently you can take islamic terrorism seriously and not want to commit us to an unending foreign engagement in a country that had nothing to do with 9/11. Or do you believe in that little conspiracy?
You can take 9/11 seriously and want our troops to come home to seal the borders and check cargo.
You can take 9/11 seriously and not buckle to power like a spineless sycophantic follower of neoconservatism every time a someone mentions islamic terrorism. Yeah, I'm referring to you, McCullogh.
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some idiot named Kevin McCullough wrote:
"Doesn't seem to think that Islamic Terrorists have uttered a vow to kill Americans. Doesn't seem to be aware that they signed a fatwa to eliminate us prior to 9/11"
You need to learn your history. Osama bin Laden said that the attacks on America in '93 and '01 happened because we were over there in the middle east supporting Israel. The fatwa was towards the Israelis, and only got redirected on us because of our support for them.
Well, you just proved that you are in fact the "historical ignoramus" and not Ron Paul, because you obviously haven't been listening to what our enemies have been saying.
But yea, maybe you are right.. we should just keep on printing money, and keep on digging our heels in the sand.. afterall, the dollar is at an ALL time low against the Canadian dollar, and we have to borrow money from China just to meet our Budget from running a deficit. Let's just keep on calling the only people trying to save us from the inevitable collapse will happen if we keep fighting in Iraq and keep borrowing money from China crackpots.. that makes sense. I mean, it obviously doesn't matter to you that the world thinks we are a bunch of fascists.. WHO CARES, right neocon??
you think we are crackpots, well.. we think you are simply more of the same, and we have seen all your crew has to offer..
so, my opinion, if the republicans don't nominate Ron Paul, i will just give my vote to Hillary to spite the republicans who obviously care nothing for my views, as illustrated by how you neocons constantly refer to us as terrorists or crackpots. so, how's that?? I've been a republican for 11 years, since I turned 18, and I will be changing my affiliation if ron isn't nominated.. I can promise that I won't be the only one to revolt on the republican party in the form of changing my affiliation.
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griz: "Maybe they have no sense of humor because you call them 'crackpots.'"
Perhaps people started calling them crackposts because they were so mean spirited to begin with, and ronniepaul is a "blame America" candidate.
BKT: "so keep up your smear tactics.. it just convinces more to join us."
So you think people will become paulbots just because you think ronpaul is being smeared?
Huh? You can't REALLY believe that simply because you think some are smearing ronpaul it will actually make rational, reasonable, intelligent, thinking people to join you...
The LAST thing we need is the "underdog" as president just because he's the "underdog."
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reasoning (or lack thereof) that contributes to ronpaul and the paulbots being referred to as "crackpots."
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anne:So you think people will become paulbots just because you think ronpaul is being smeared?
we are being called terrorists and crackpots by the media on a daily basis. How can you say that isn't a smear??
It would be one thing if I read some offhand remark and interpreted it as smear, but that isn't the case here.. we have some idiot blogger smearing ron paul and his supporters, and I take offense to that..
You do understand that your perception that he is the "underdog" as you put it, is due to the way the media represents him in the first place.. When he is constantly referred to as "the dark horse candidate.." it is a tactic used to discredit. the media uses their little polls everyday to try and convince you to think what they want you to.. and my god, does it work beautifully on some people..
with that said.. it is becoming clear that I have no representation in the republican party except for Ron Paul, and if the party discredits him, then why should I continue to support it??
If Ron Paul doesn't get elected, then it won't matter who is in the white house.. the CFR members will stear us towards globilization.. in their newsletter today (cfr.org) they talked about how the Dollar was in bad shape, and then pointed to the new book they released this month called Regional Monetary Policy, which talks about implementing a Euro style currency here in North America..
here is a snip from the CFR newsletter.. you see they want the dollar to collapse, because then they can have public support for a new currency..
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from CFR.ORG's newsletter 11/29/07
The Dollar in Danger
The dollar, like the gold standard before it, is under pressure. For the United States, a falling dollar means pricier imports but also an export boom that could carry the economy through its housing bust. Yet, for countries that use the euro, a weak dollar means a loss of competitiveness. And for dollar-pegging exporters, a falling dollar worsens the export boom that is overheating their economies. In this Financial Times op-ed, Benn Steil and Manuel Hinds write that the dollar's days as the international reserve currency may be numbered. Sebastian Mallaby echoes this argument in a recent Washington Post op-ed. Brad Setser makes the case for oil-exporting Gulf states to stop pegging to the dollar in this Peterson Institute policy brief.
Related Article: "Digital Gold and a Flawed Global Order" by Benn Steil
Related CFR.org Interview: "Understanding the Falling Dollar" with Brad Setser
Regional Monetary Integration
This new book by GEC fellow Peter B. Kenen and Ellen Meade surveys the prospects for regional monetary integration in various parts of the world. Beginning with a brief review of the theory of optimal currency areas, it goes on to examine the structure and functioning of the European Monetary Union, then turns to the prospects for monetary integration in North America, South America, and East Asia. Regional Monetary Integration also examines the implications of monetary integration for the United States and the U.S. dollar. |
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I've voted republican only for 20 years. If Dr. Paul does not get the nod I will also vote for Hillary. I despise socialism, but the creeping fascism that the republicans have given us is far worse. |
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anne: Actually, it's THAT kind of reasoning (or lack thereof) that contributes to ronpaul and the paulbots being referred to as "crackpots."
you understand that when you call all ron paul supporters crackpots because of a few, then you are doing a GREAT disservice to ALOT of people.
How can you promote high school name calling??
Group think is the basis of racism.. you know that right??
how is "these few people that support ron are dumb, therefor all people who support ron are dumb" any different from "this black guy isn't that bright, therefor, all black people are dumb.
see the point??
you REALLY should listen to Ron more.. he talks about INDIVIDUAL freedoms, not GROUP freedoms as you talk about..
so be careful when indulging in this group think that is so popular.. it is no different from the though process behind racism |
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you said Ron was a "blame america first" candidate..
sigh.. read this please!
http://tinyurl.com/39tqu4
a nytimes article on operation AJAX, which was the 1953 CIA instigated coup in Iran... these actions have alot to do with why the Muslims hate us so much.. before you write off Ron, you should research outside of the Mainstream Media and find what they try to hide from you.. the CIA tried to destroy the documents about the coup, and they even said we would receive "blowback" from their activities in 1953.. well, they were right.. in 1979 the Shah was overthrown, and the current regime in Iran was thrust into power.. GO CIA!
and why did the CIA instigate the coup?? oil prices! wow, the more things change the more they stay the same!
if you would seriously just do some research you would find all this out yourself, but if you rely on bloggers such as Kevin McCullough for your facts, then you will NEVER LEARN ANYTHING!
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"anne:So you think people will become paulbots just because you think ronpaul is being smeared?"
NO! YOU were the one who said that....
"so keep up your smear tactics.. it just convinces more to join us."
I was the one who said:
"You can't REALLY believe that simply because you think some are smearing ronpaul it will actually make rational, reasonable, intelligent, thinking people to join you... "
And, for your information, if ronpaul get elected (which he won't!) it won't matter because we'll have the jihad and the radical Islamics at our door before you can turn around.
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"anne:So you think people will become paulbots just because you think ronpaul is being smeared?"
i never said anything about paulbots. I think that people will give up on the party because of people like you keep insisting that we are crackpots.. you are driving us away from the party.
anne:
And, for your information, if ronpaul get elected (which he won't!) it won't matter because we'll have the jihad and the radical Islamics at our door before you can turn around.
what the hell do you base that assumption on??
if we protect our borders, then we will be MORE safe than we our now.. our borders are wide open thanks to bush, and the GOP's inability to close the border.. we are less safe from that ALONE! |
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Believe whatever it is you want.
No skin of my nose. ronpaul isn't going to be elected anyway.... so this is all just useless, ridiculous rhetoric.
Enjoy yourselves while you can, because it won't last too much longer.
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If you assume that voting numbers are reflected in doner numbers, than Paul is a front runner. He doesn't have the money because the average donation to his campaign is $588 per donater. Clinton's, by contrast is $2183 per doner. Let's compare the third quarter of the candidates with Paul's Nov 5th donation drive.
Clinton 32,000 individual doners
Obama 40,000 individual doners
9iu11ani 25,000 individual doners
Romney 27,000 individual doners
Paul 38,000 individual doners
Since the traditional candidates and MSM are so interested in the polls, they have no clue about Paul's support. I have personally signed up 6 former Democrats as Republicans so they can vote for Paul in the Primary. They are not represented in the 'Opinion Polls'.
I was at the debate watching party in Saint Petersburg FL last night, and the whole downtown area was Paul Country. There were 2 planes with Paul banners, and I only saw 14 supporters for anyone other than Paul. They were the 14 Romney supporters with 50 tickets each that they got from the Romney campaign ($20/ticket) that voted in the Straw Poll against the 500 individual Paul supporters. These other Republicans are clueless. Its going to be like Custer's Last Stand. They have no idea how many and how rabid the Paul supporters are. Don't be suprised if, when you go to vote in the primary, half the voters there are Paul supporters. |
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But you dont' seem to be able to spell Ron Paul correctly. It's not ronniepaul or ronpaul. He has a name, and it is Ron Paul.
Resorting to name calling and belittling Paul by changing his name just makes you look small and not capable of making a real argument against him. |
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Why do you get so worked up over him? It seems to bring out the most passion in you. |
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anne:BKT: Okay, think what you want...
isn't that what you are doing?? except i haven't called you a crackpot or anything of the sort.. i don't need to resort to name calling.. i can simply quote history, and then watch you try to squirm your way out of answering questions by dodging mine.
this is why the republicans are losing "the base.." because you guys are SOO judgmental and out of touch that you don't even realize that you are alienating yourself into a corner.. |
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Odds of getting killed by a terrorist:
17,000,000 to 1
Odss of death by a rabid squirrel bite:
895,000 to 1
The only thing worst than irrational anger
is irrational fear!
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That so many, including some posting on this thread, are beginning to analyze politics through the filter of monetary policy. So much of our foreign and domestic policy is dictated by the nonpartisan, unfeeling mathematics of money suppy and manipulations thereto. Example: Saudi Arabia provides exponentially more aid and comfort to the Islamists than Iraq ever did. So why is the royal family still in power? Because pursuant to Nixon closing the gold window 15 August 1971, the U.S. became dependent upon the Saudis to use their influence within OPEC to establish the dollar as the denominator of global petroleum purchases.
The gold standard is the peaceful, productive citizen's greatest defense against government tyranny. Our surest recourse against the leviathan's insatiable appetite is to limit its blood supply. The Federal Reserve, in addition to causing the Great Depression, has failed to accomplish the objectives contained in the Glass Owen Act.
If some Middle Eastern nation were to blockade Britian, starve it into humiliation and grinding poverty and drop bombs on it from time to time, how do you think the U.S would react? Do unto others . . . it's not complicated. For a supposed constitutional republic, our foreign policy of late seems predicated upon the divine right of kings that our forbears so fiercely rejected.
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continued . . .
And why does Dr. Paul get more support from active military than any other candidate? Must be his moonbat supporters rigging the statistics with their text messaging somehow. Or his commitment to securing the Mexican border and other ports of entry. (Please don't tell the Islamists that our back door had been wide open since they attacked us six years ago.)
I can forgive a fellow citizen getting worked up and resorting to name calling. But the pejorative "PaulPot" from the pen of Mr. McCullough to describe all Paul supporters is bush league, indeed. Maybe Romney's advocates should be termed ShamelessOpportunistCultistRunToTheFrontOfTheHardAndPretendToLeadIt-pots? |
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I must tell you I have been swayed to Giuliani and his "cabinet o genocide" His plans for permanent nation building squads as a DoD fixture are just swell. Go ahead its all in his Foreign Affairs article, that CFR rag. Yes just crazy conspiracy theories surrounding some of the most influential men in the world, they just hang out and debate and their policies which I can assume in full confidence are completely divorced from their business interests.
Foreign Affairs is probably the most informative foreign policy magazine and they don't even really advertise. They are humble people. It is just a coincidence that their "Building a North American Community" and the ongoing progress of the SPP coincide and most presidential candidates are connected with them. Just laugh at those kooks and don't think about it, don't even bother to research them. Also I went to the SPP web site and they told me they are not getting rid of our sovereignty, they are just making some continental integrations, nothing like the EU's history, so there you don't even have to check. I did it for you already.
But back to foreign policy. People like Ron Paul do not know our history. He doesn't even remember the Barbary Wars, when we won the world for Western Civilization. If we would have not had those fierce Barbary Wars we'd be all wearing burkhas today. But by far most importantly some of you don't remember that we have always been at war with EastAsia, the history you knew and the positions we took back then are irrelavent. The principles we had during the Clinton years are no longer needed and have been dead for a while. Get in line and enjoy the slogans. |
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his first state caucus to be followed by another severe thrashing five days later in New Hampshire... |
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That Paul's support by active military leads any other candidate? |
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You do realize that Howard Dean led the field (lapped it in fact in number of donors for the Dems in 2004) and LOST Iowa, AND New Hampshire, AND South Carolina...
SIGH...
But you still think that 38,000 is somehow impressive on a national scale for an election that will encompass tens of millions of votes...
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Somebody has been missing their 24 episodes. Perhaps I could persuade you to watch an informative MEMRI video. The guy who started that organization is very knowledgeable, he is a former IDF officer so you know you will get it Fair and Balanced. Not interested in that? How about theology, Pastor Hagee is growing in numbers because he finds something in the Bible that others do not see, a true genius and who doesn't like religion? If you go after Pastor Hagee's beliefs you must hate Christians. He is well within his right to have poster boards of rapture monsters that influence people's foreign policy decisions, they need it. My friend you should get away from crazy conspiracy theories and get back to Religion where we get our reasoning from. You're obviously listening to Secular Progressives and their George Soros funded conspiracies.
Why not learn about the religion of peace? Don't you know that Muslims have to bow down before us Christians and apologize before we can be sure they don't play for the other team. Yes we have a few who have and you can find them at the informative AEI site selling books, that is after you are done reading the Weekly Standard and listening to six hours of talk radio. You probably have no time for other sources after that and won't worry yourself about your crazy conspiracy theories and these politicians, they only want what is best for us and our country. That is what all the media sources I trust say. They have experts to do the thinking for you. |
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Ron Paul has a very strongly worded direct mail piece going in SC. The left is having strong misgivings about finding out Ron Paul is closed borders and wants to amend the Constitution on citizenship by birth. |
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Propaganda does not work on people who know what it is. The media keeps say even in complementing articles on Dr. Paul he will never make it, he has no chance, oh it is a really big long shot.. gambling911 has dropped is odds from 200 to 1 to 15 to 1 to now they are 8 to 1...bookies are smart and know where the actions is. Not use a long shot now. McCain's odds remained at 5 to 1. Rudy Giuliani remained at 3 to 1 odds are both card caring members of the council on foreign relations. |
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first time I have seen this blog. The title of it fits most of the views. Muscle heads indeed, as verses thinking heads.
Ron Paul for president. |
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reminds me of Dennis Kuchinis. They are both waiting for the Mother Ship to tell them where they are. Jesse The (Con Man) Jackson would have a better chance against Hillary the (Iron Maiden) Clinton than Ron Paul. |
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People are sick of the neocons. There is no way one of them can beat Her Thighness. Ron Paul draws support from all corners of the political spectrum. Not only that but Dr. Paul's unassailable voting record, personal integrity and knowledge would be no match for Hillary. He would mop the floor with her in any debate. Please rethink your ascertation and respond as to WHY you think Hillary can beat Dr. Paul. I'm very curious to hear your reasons. |
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The comments by the Ron Paul supporters on this thread as well as all the others I have read show the real problem that exists in the United States today. MOST of their comments are shrill and hateful, very reminiscent of those made by extreme left wing democrats, and do nothing for the political discourse in this country. As for those of you who believe the Islamic terrorist want to kill us because we are over there, you don't know much about Islam - it is the only religion that teaches KILLING all non-believers - perhaps you should all read "The Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam" and learn that the crusades were not a war against the muslims, but rather an expedition to save the Christians from massacre.
I find it interesting that "BKT" transposed the letter used by the serial killer "BTK" as their nickname - does it stand for Bind Kill Torture?
Then we have the absurd claim that most of the military support Ron Paul. Perhaps that someone would like to buy the swamp I have down in North Carolina?
As for those who CLAIM to be long time Republicans but will vote for Hillary if Ron Paul does not get the nomination - GOOD RIDDANCE TO BAD RUBBISH - you are like the seminar callers to conservative talk shows who claim to be Republican, but are really democrats trying to fool everyone. It doesn't work - we have learned to recognize you.
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iitywybad:I find it interesting that "BKT" transposed the letter used by the serial killer "BTK"
omg, you are really reading into things to much. My name is Bryan Keith Thompson, you idiot.
I don't CLAIM to be a long time republican, I AM one.. I am 29 years old, and I have voted republican in every election since 1996, when i turned 18.
So many of you choose to keep your eyes closed and live in your own little world where the republicans can do no wrong, and everything done in the name of god is good.
Well, honestly, I don't care what their religions teaches or advocates..(muslims) i am sick and tired of being pulled into religious wars when I myself am an atheist. excuse me for getting fed up that my tax dollars go to fund forgein wars. I guess I should just go sit in a corner and not exercise MY RIGHT to support the candidate that I feel is the best for this country. How can you people say that an opinion other than the one that you support is "doing nothing for political discourse" in this country!! If people didn't disagree there would be no discourse, and without discourse, there WOULD BE NO DEMOCRACY. I really think you people should analyze what you are apparently advocating.
And still Kevin has dodged every question and answer in the comments here that have proved him wrong on so many levels.
you know what I think causes terrorism?? closed minded attitudes that refuse to reevaluate the situation when things aren't going the way they should. Holier than thou attitudes from people who think that the established version of facts is never wrong, and that we never make mistakes.
You people are acting just like a bunch of bullies at a prep school where you are picking on the people that you disagree with because they are fat, ugly, talk funny, ect.
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I must warn you.. that these attitudes that you are all exposing will have some blowback effect, and by that I mean, that people like myself, who are republican, but are getting called crackpots, crazies, conspiracy theorists, and the like, will abandon the party that they have support for their entire life, because of your attitudes towards us. At this point, you are not even treating us as people anymore.. we are just this "blanket term" you use to demonize a group of people for your own personal gain.
I am sorry that you think we are all unreasonable, and I sorry that you all must resort to the name calling that has been ingrained into your mind.
The republicans lost congress because of this very attitude.. are you all prepared to take responsibility for handing the white house over to the dems?? because trashing us is no way to get our support. |
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griz writes: "Incidently you can take islamic terrorism seriously and not want to commit us to an unending foreign engagement in a country that had nothing to do with 9/11. Or do you believe in that little conspiracy?"
Just as I thought.
Ron Paul's entire candidacy is based on anger over the Iraq War. It's the right-wing equivalent of the Howard Dean candidacy of 2004.
Ron Paul has said he doesn't care whether Iran builds nuclear weapons either.
When Clinton proposed his first military budgets, Ron Paul said they were too LARGE.
Ron Paul isn't just against the Iraq War. He genuinely believes that America has no vital interests anywhere on earth worth sending our military to defend. He hasn't named one place in the world that he would send the U.S. military to defend beyond the 12 mile limit of the U.S.
And that is 100% dead wrong.
That vision of the world died on 7 December 1941. Don't even bother trying to resurrect it.
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Lev Strauss writes: "Don't you know that Muslims have to bow down before us Christians and apologize before we can be sure they don't play for the other team."
The Muslims don't have to apologize for being Muslims.
They just have to apologize for celebrating the 9-11 atrocity.
For us, it was a day of shock, horror, and outrage.
For them, it was time to party.
I'll never forgive them for that till I see my boot on their neck.
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cthurow writes: "Odds of getting killed by a terrorist: 17,000,000 to 1"
What are the odds of getting killed by a WMD attack on America by terrorists?
How do you calculate the odds of something that has never happened yet?
One scenario conducted for the Government about a possible bio-weapon attack on America concluded that America could suffer 50,000 casualties.
Let me remind you what we did in response to the 2,000 casualties at Pearl Harbor:
We turned Tokyo into a raging firestorm (100,000 dead)
We dropped two atomic bombs, one on Hiroshima and one on Nagasaki (another 150,000 dead)
And if the Japanese hadn't surrendered by August 1945, we were going to drop enough atom bombs on Japan to obliterate it from the earth.
Now let's imagine a terrorist attack on America that kills 50,000 dead. With a calculator, we can calculate that based on the World War II example, a retaliatory U.S. strike should kill 25,000,000 Muslims.
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The conservative congress was corrupted by Washington. Now the conservative media has been corrupted by power as well.
Right now the salvation army is getting sued by the liberal congress over telling employees to speak English. GWB is suppose to have oversight over EEOP. Conservatives are no longer conseravtives they are just not as bad as liberals.
WE WANT A CHANGE. We do not want to win freedom in Iraq and loose it at home. WHEN WILL YOU LOSERS WAKE UP TO THAT FACT.
WE will not change American freedom for Iraqi freedom.
End of discussion. Ron Paul is not the Ideal candidate he is simply the best one running |
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Anne posting again with her inane drivel. I love how Anne seeks out every single article about Ron Paul to tell everyone how he has no chance.
Anne - your obsession with Ron Paul is reaching pathological proportions. Please seek help asap. Or maybe deep down you realize that he has a very good chance, and we might go back to (gasp) traditional conservative principles of freedom and adherence to the Constitution.
Please keep posting, Anne. Everytime you do, you send lurkers with no opinion on Paul right into our camp. I've seen it posted several times... something to the effect of "Anne - I don't support Paul, but I'm starting to re-evaluate that after reading your posts. You are a disrespectful idiot and should cease your childish ways."
Please keep up the good work, Anne. You're doing my candidate a favor everytime you post. |
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Are you saying we should have attacked Japan first?
Your synopsis of events is a little flawed. We declared war on Japan first and fought accordingly. We did not declare war on Iraq, we instead declared war on a concept. How can you win that kind of war? What is the definition of victory?
The only possible outcome of preventive war is endless war. That is not the American way, that is the fascist way.
Here is a quote from Dwight D Eisenhower, I think it is very apt in terms of the so called War on Terror.
"If you want total security, go to prison. There you're fed, clothed, given medical care and so on. The only thing lacking... is freedom."
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You're wrong on many accounts. Here are a few examples:
Ron Paul's entire candidacy is based on anger over the Iraq War.
--No, his entire candidacy is based on adherence to the Constitution. The unconstitutional war just so happens to be the hot-button issue of the day. Try to look beyond a few sound bites you hear on Hannity and look into Paul's 20 year voting record.
Ron Paul has said he doesn't care whether Iran builds nuclear weapons either.
--wrong again. He said he'd be concerned, but he'd attack this problem diplomatically instead of militarily... kind of like Reagan during the Cold War.
When Clinton proposed his first military budgets, Ron Paul said they were too LARGE.
--there's a lot more to it than that. He's been an outspoken critic of our incredibly wasteful spending on the military industrial complex that Eisenhower warned us about. He doesn't like to see needless multi-billion dollar contracts going to politically tapped in companies like Lockheed and Raytheon. Looking at dollars and cents, Paul was right. More military spending doesn't mean a better military if a large percentage of the money is wasted.
Ron Paul isn't just against the Iraq War. He genuinely believes that America has no vital interests anywhere on earth worth sending our military to defend.
--so how is our military presence abroad helping We the People? Why have one in Korea? Germany? Those people don't even want us there.
The Muslims don't have to apologize for being Muslims. They just have to apologize for celebrating the 9-11 atrocity.
--that was a few dozen kids and idiots who had zero to do with the attack. They should be killed? That kind of attitude is why they hate us so much. Oh, and I don't believe any of those celebrations involved Iraqis... whom we subsequently attacked.
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"He [Ron Paul] genuinely believes that America has no vital interests anywhere on earth worth sending our military to defend."
Assuming you live in the USA, your standing on it. That is the problem with your stance. The earth does not belong to America. We don't need to send out our military to defend our vital interests, because many of our vital interests either do not belong to us or are not defensable with military power.
For example, I want to secure food for myself, but I don't go to the grocery store with my shotgun and an intention of 'securing my vital interest'. Why? Because, there would be people who would hate me for appropriating their 'vital interest' and would do everything in their power to stop my aggression. So instead of going to the grocery story with a shotgun, I go with money - to trade. You see, you are making it too difficult. We are the richest nation on earth. We don't need to secure our interests with our military when we can do the same thing, and cheaper, with our money. Freedom made this country great, not the military.
Cradle to Grave or
Free and Brave
Only one of these is possible.
Vote Ron Paul. |
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Ron Paul is intelligent enough to realize that keeping troops in Iraq isn't keeping people any safer from 'terrorists' than we would be if the troops were brought back home. There isn't any reason to keep troops in Iraq now that Saddam is dead & NO 'weapons of mass destruction' found! It is costing too much for insufficient benefits from it. Ron Paul would be the frugal President this country NEEDS after the big spenders now in charge of the government are FINALLY out of there so Ron Paul DEFINATELY gets MY VOTE! A win for Ron Paul would be a win for the USA over those who would have us ever living in fear of a real or imagined 'terrorist'... |
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Careful. Under the scenario you've described an epidemic of peaceful, voluntary exchange of goods and services between otherwise warring nations could errupt. Then who neocon smash with big rock and show who brave and tuff? |
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iitywybad writes this little butt nugget:
"The comments by the Ron Paul supporters on this thread as well as all the others I have read show the real problem that exists in the United States today. MOST of their comments are shrill and hateful, very reminiscent of those made by extreme left wing democrats,..."
Nevermind that the title of this article calls us crackpots. Umm... yeah...
You punch us in the face and then expect civility? It is really true! You people really don't understand the meaning of blowback.
Even the musclehead himself sounds as childish as Anne and One Hot Minute.
Townhall has become a joke, lately. |
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BTW, that strategy of hitting someone and then crying victim when you get hit back came from the "extreme left wing democrats."
And guess who is using the tactic, here? |
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"Please keep up the good work, Anne. You're doing my candidate a favor everytime you post."
I think that Anne is a secret Ron Paul supporter that is really lampooning his critics with her inane posts.
This thread really tells us something about modern day "conservatives". It must be awful to go through every day scared to death. Taking this line of, for lack of a better word, thought to its logical conclusion let's fire off every one of our nukes, for there might be someone who will hate us for our freedom and we have to preempt them now.
Bin Laden has won beyond his wildest dreams. Just look at all the insanity that a one million dollar investment has spawned on just this one thread. |
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I bet Kevin is a christian zionut. |
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...Are the ones who believe the INSANE, unfounded theory that by turning Iraq into a pro-western Democratic state (which itself is still a VERY dubious notion, no matter how well you think the surge is working) we can transform the entire region into a collection of pro-America democratic states. THAT is a crazy theory. Nobody with even a passing familiarity with the history of the region, it's many explosive, complicated conflicts, and our history of involvement with those conflicts would believe for a second that this is possible. It just isn't.
What is NOT a crackpot theory is the idea that 9/11 was blowback. The terrorists attacked us because of our support for Israel. Period. Full stop, that is the reason. You can huff and puff and get offended when people say this, you can say it's attempting to apologize for the terrorists, you can cry about it. None of that will make it any less of a factual statement.
Now, you can take this as you will. Maybe supporting Israel is worth all of the trouble that comes with it and we should continue on our current course of meddling in confusing, explosive middle east politics, or maybe we should reconsider our stance. But NO, that would make us look WEAK! We must wage wars of VENGEANCE... "He tried to kill my dad" is a GREAT reason to start a war with a country that posed NO THREAT WHATSOEVER to us! |
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And make some money too! He has a book out that Medved and some other talk radio neocons wrote blurbs for where he is going to explain how to defeat the Left. Right, I'd suggest quit being one himself. No doubt this book has the same intellectual depth as one of Hannity's. |
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Where is the vulgarity? The Jew-baiting? The name-calling? The citing of the Articles of Confederation as if they were the Constitution? Sounds like KMC is just a distraction for their real target: me. Ron Paul just can't seem to break away from me in the polls. We are both stuck within the margin of error. |
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The Jew baiting is provided by people such as yourself. No one else on this thread has brought up Jews until you showed up. And don't try any crap about what knight_of_baawa wrote. Unless you live under a rock you know perfectly well that he is referring to the dispensationalists and their nutty views regarding Israel and the second coming.
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I've been around the block a few times with you guys. Does the expression "Israel First'ers" ring a bell? You paulbots keep insisting that the only reason we are in the ME is because our government is controlled by the "powerful Israeli lobby". I've heard Ron Paul himself say it several times. How dumb and naive is that? He is using the Buchanan/ LaRouche playbook and will suffer the same fate. Your man is already finished. |
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You paulbots keep linking to lewrockell.com. Have you been there? Abe Lincoln was a traitor? FDR was a traitor? America's ME policy was written by the Israeli lobby? You guys are pathetic liars. |
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Pasadena Phil
Hopefully, we will get a President who will put the USA first instead of one that puts Israel first. Nothing against Israel, but an American President is expected to put America first. If they intend to put Israel first, they should run for office in Israel instead of here. Seriously! |
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Just when I think you actually might have some brains you turn around and post stupid stuff like you have above. I mean, you do know who Peter Schiff is. (he supports Paul, by the way) Other than most of the Ron Paul supporters here, I doubt if more than one other of the junior neocons here have a clue of who he is. The flying monkey clique you hang with is clueless.
I figured it out. You might know something about making money, as you have said you were involved in finance. You have written some intelligent posts on the subject. I'll accept that as a point of argument. You, in your humble way, are smart like Ted Turner. He knows a lot about making money and is an absolute fool on all other matters political.
It's a real pity, to be so smart and so stupid and ignorant at the same time. |
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