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That is what I say as well. Other than the idiot fringe on the web and a couple of equally idiotic columnists most folks couldn't care less about this. Still, this smear is enlightening in this sense. It shows the real "red/brown" alliance that neocon David Horowitz was hollering about a while back. You have people from the Weekly Standard running to the Daily Kos attempting to smear Paul. Strange bed fellows indeed and what they all have in common is that they are all authoritarian/totalitarian statists and what Horowitz accuses others of is simply to disguise what he and his allies are guilty of themselves. |
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So what? If somebody hasn't broken the law aren't they free to do what they want? I think the WS is way off base, but again, that's my free right to think that.
Moonkeeper:
The price of oil does have something to do with it, but when we borrow against the reserve it adds more money into the system, more money, more inflation, more war, more borrowing and so on... does anybody see who's benefiting? What's prime right now 4.5%? So we have to pay for our own money to the "Rothchild group" for printing it for us. Ah screw it maybe we should just worry about who Ron's having lunch with after all, it's only our money. |
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That's interesting what you wrote. I wouldn't be surprised if Don Black and Charles Johnson are running a scam together. Consider this, the mymidons that hang out on both their websites are primary made up of emoting extremists who couldn't frame a well crafted argument if their lives depended on it. People like this are easily led astray and I can see these two jerks using each other as a way to raise money similar to the way Jim Robinson has done with "Free" Republic. I can well imagine those two pooling some money to give to that loser Bill White to write the b.s. that he did knowing the idiots would be all over it as McCulloch has amply demostrated.
I hope someone does pay White a visit. He's so unstable that who knows what he might have to say about this? |
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"But, here's the thing...again… the paulists just cannot tolerate discussion or debate by anyone who disagrees with paul’s policies!
If anyone dares to disagree with anything ronniepauls says, they’re paul haters, or stupid. They are attacked… Proof? Look at the vicious, reprehensible attacks from all the paulists above.
If these are the type of people who are attracted to ronpaul, then I wonder what kind of person ronpaul really is?"
As a Paulist, I love debate. I can't stand it when I see someone saying "You're a neocon, CFR, RINO, Isreal-loving, warmongering (censored)" just as much as I can't stand seeing "Ron Paul and his supporters are kooks, anti-semites, etc..."
When Ronald Reagan was endorsed by the KKK, he stated that all it means is that they support his ideas, it doesn't mean he supports theirs. earlier in the season, there was highly publicized shill phone campaign occurring in Iowa when people were being called supposedly represented by a campaign. In 2004, democrats called people up at 3:30 in the morning claiming to be calling for support for republicans.
A steel cage match is a wrestling match in which a steel cage is set up around the wrestling ring. |
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"steal cage match is."
But if you notice, I pretty much ignore knight of boohoo. Like most paulists, he’s not worth the bandwidth.
But, here's the thing...again… the paulists just cannot tolerate discussion or debate by anyone who disagrees with paul’s policies!
If anyone dares to disagree with anything ronniepauls says, they’re paul haters, or stupid. They are attacked… Proof? Look at the vicious, reprehensible attacks from all the paulists above.
If these are the type of people who are attracted to ronpaul, then I wonder what kind of person ronpaul really is?
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"The latest is his comment on printing money. The US doesn't print money to cover our debt and that is not causing inflation right now. Price of oil and demand for oil from the rest of the world is causing inflation. The US issues bonds which increases our debt AND RAISES INTEREST RATES."
Umm, prices rising is an effect of currency over-printing. 1920s Germany is a great example of this.
I agree with your synopsis on oil. Although, a weak dollar is at least partially to blame. In terms or Euros, our dollar is worth almost half of what it was a few years ago. This means we have to spend double the dollars compared to Europe to get middle eastern oil. Adjusted for the weak dollar policy of the last few years, gas prices would be around $1.50 right now. |
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That is some excellent research on when these supposed "meetings" occured. I figure Paul's campaign HQ was nearby. Thanks for posting this. I knew that among the Paul supporters there are some very clever people, unlike their ham handed opponents.
These jerks have to learn things the hard way. I hope that all who put together this crap receive for Christmas a nice big summons along with a nice big lump of coal. |
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Unfortunately, the news comes from an ANTI-Israel group. I guess a broken clock is still right twice a day.
http://uruknet.info/?p=m39436&s1=h1
So the neo-nazi is also part of an Pro-Israel support group? That doesn't make much sense. After all, evryone but those "stupid Paulbots" "know" that the letter has to be real. After all, its anti-Paul! Anyhting anti-Paul is automatically correct, despite all evidence to the contrary.
So, in order to believe this letter is correct, you must believe that a neo-nazi is pro-Isreal?
hmmm....
I'm "sure" everyone that originally believed the idea of Paul being a supremacist will now take it back since there is now more evidence against their position.
I'm also "sure" that Kevin will post just as prominent of a post correcting himself for the same reason.
I doubt that the clealy more intelligent people against Ron Paul will go out of their way to cling to incorrect information. I doubt that they will make up an excuse to continue believing Ron Paul is simultaneously a member of the KKK and the Black Panthers. |
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It’s true, as much as you don’t want to drop the article… Ron Paul cannot be guilty by association. He could give a speech to Hitler youth, and if his speech was about following the Constitution, protecting liberty and life for EVERY individual, creating a colorblind society, etc… he would be no worse for it. His attitude is that anyone can hear his message; anyone can give him money; anyone can do anything they want whether it’s repugnant or not–because that’s what America permits.
Lastly, when Ron Paul gives a speech to Alex Jones or the John Birch Society or wherever it is that you think is “too far out there” he does not wink at the interviewer. There are no back pats. No secret handshakes. No compromises. Just Ron Paul speaking the same message he has been spreading for the past 30 to whomever was willing to listen. These days, that’s a lot more people than ever before.
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I can see why. You don't understand what causes inflation.
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"Now that's just silly.
And in the interest of full disclosure, I've been posting at LGF for years now."
No problem, Chris. I caught your meaning by "silly" and I appreciate your candor.
Nonetheless, I have to disagree with you about LGF. It has been a while since I've bothered to read them, but it looks like little has changed. That is one of the foulest websites I've read and is the neocon version of the Daily Kos. By this I mean most of the posters there. They have nothing on Storm Front when it comes to bigotry and ignorance. LGF serves the interests of the extremists in pushing Israel's interest (in their eyes) at the expense of the US. This ugly smear is just another aspect of this by attacking preceived threats and in this case on a US citizen who advocates a different foreign policy. I hope they too, like Giuliani, learns what "blowback" is.
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It is time for this loon to leave the race and run as an Independent. He is hording his Nazi money and will use it for an Independent run. He is only hanging in with the Republicans so he gets TV time. He is bad for the country and his idiot followers don't really understand him.
The latest is his comment on printing money. The US doesn't print money to cover our debt and that is not causing inflation right now. Price of oil and demand for oil from the rest of the world is causing inflation. The US issues bonds which increases our debt AND RAISES INTEREST RATES. However his moronic Nazi followers don't understand and then start chanting "stop printing money". He needs to drop out and run Independent. |
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Are we using far left media watch blogs to shoot our own people in the foot?
You are a disgrace to the conservative movement. Barry Goldwater and Robert Taft are turning in their graves. |
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was some guys blog, who also listed Pat Buchanan as a "white nationalist"... shouldn't MSNBC and the American Conservative be notified that their guy is a "racist white nationalist"...
The Robert Taft Club is not a 'racist' organization, its a libertarian republican organization.
http://roberttaft.org/
What a complete joke all this is.
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Revelation 7:9
"After these things I looked, and behold, a great multitude which no one could count, from every nation and all tribes and peoples and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed in white robes, and palm branches were in their hands;"
The Lord is honoring us in heaven by our distinct earthly groupings on earth and He is and will unite us as one under His blessed Kingship both here and in the time to come.
This, I say, is an acceptable pattern for us on earth. Other ethnic groups have no problem with admiring themselves, why do white liberals?
Too smart for their own good? Or just too foolish or self-loathing?
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racialists are Nazis.
One can talk about "black pride" with honor, but one is considered a Nazi if he or she talks about "white pride"?
Who made up that rule? Some dumb white liberal?
God, in his infinite wisdom, has created us with these lovely genetic varities. We ought to be pleased with his creation and not insult his vision for us as we will be represented (according to the bible) in heaven as tribes, nations, and tongues. He has made us at once, distinct, and of one and the same blood: the human race.
These are God's categories, not mine.
Ought we to hate those who are different from us in physical features? No. Never. Might we marry other varieties? Yes. Whenever we wish and with great joy.
But may whites celebrate their genetic variety as much as blacks or asians do? Absolutely they can; or no other group should.
Get widsom, from somewhere, Kevin. You are an embarrassment to conservatives like me. |
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...or else they wouldn't be making these baseless attacks against someone who 'has no chance of winning.'
In reality, they're crapping themselves right now with the amount of money Ron Paul has raised, and that more voters aren't toting the Townhall/so-called 'conservative' talk radio/Hewitt/Hannity/neo-con line.
They realize that the rise of Ron Paul (without their blessing) signals the decline of their power and influence - I think that's what really ticks them off. |
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Because for global government to take hold, America MUST be destroyed. These people WANT it to collapse.
The U.S. Constitution places tremendous restrictions on government and protects a tremendous amount of power for the people. It is totally incompatible with One World Government.
It is the INTENTION to destroy our dollar and the constitution. One only needs to read the writings of these neocons to see them say it so openly.
Ask one of them about "The complete and total global disarmament agreement" that was signed into law in the 60's. Written by the neocons fresh from their stint as Marxists, it outlines the plan to completely disarm the citizens of EVERY country in order to install world government.
google "complete global disarmament" for an earth shattering revelation about exactly WHAT we are fighting against. |
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I think these people are really just upset that Ron Paul won't return their $500 like they expected him to do after doing it to smear him, so now they are writing ridiculous articles about him.
Sorry, fools, your money will now be used to spread freedom.
Even Neil Cuvuto felt ashamed of having to smear Ron Paul. You would think Kevin would feel some shame as well. That is if he wasn't actually a metrosexual liberal secretly rooting for Hillary while bashing EVERY Republican running. His columns amount to nothing more than liberal gossip and somehow he happens to have the quickest inside scoop on the latest from DailyKos, while real conservatives don't even bother to pay them any attention.
Perhaps this is why Townhall NEVER lists his blog on the front page? |
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Will bring the U.S. military empire home in the near future, anyway; so why not retract our tendrils and retrench operations on our own terms? As the world increasing rejects the Federal Reserve Note, we will find it more difficult to buy planes and tanks and bombs and things. Unless we are ready to brook tax rates of 40-50%.
Now which candidate apart from Ron Paul can give an historical, logical and economic account of the correlation between wars of aggression overseas and economic disaster at home? Ron Paul wants to give you back ownership of your two hands by reverting to honest money (precious metal) sans the tyranny of a central bank, legal tender laws or the IRS. This would in turn give you actual leverage against runaway government. This would allow us to extricate ourselves from reliance on the Saudis and Chinese to prop up the dollar.
By securing the borders and ports, Ron Paul will have done at least as much to ensure our domestic safety against The Religion of Peace as have the Wilsonian Republicans with their nation building. By issuing letters of marque and reprisal, he will utilize the efficiency of the profit motive in expunging al Quaida. |
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American Thinker and Little Green Football smear of Ron Paul
http://www.nolanchart.com/article607.html
Ron Paul's New TV AD
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4AmY-fW3gdc
Yep, sure sounds like a Neo Nazi White Supremacist. |
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I also donated $4600 to Ron Paul. That's $4,100 more than Don Black (gee, you'd think if Ron Paul were his White Supremecist Manchurian Candidate, he would donate just a little more) so does THAT mean Ron Paul endorses MY agenda of limited government, individual liberty, and sound money? How about the thousands of others that donated to him, including minorities? How about the minorities that find him as their number one candidate in larger percentages than ANY other candidate in NH? Does that mean they are trying to buy political influence? |
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And the picture taken of Don Black with Ron Paul that LGF so conveniently "found" was taken at the value voters debate in Florida. What was Don Black and his son doing at the Value Voters Debate? Hmm? Noone there recognized who he was?
I can guarantee you that Ron Paul has no clue who this person was. I have a picture of me with Ron Paul as well. I bet you he doesn't know MY name or even remember me if he saw me, even though I have been fighting vigorously for him for nearly eight months now and have written to him for years. But, he didn't ask my name when I asked for a picture. He just smiled while it was taken.
I am the leader of a pro-liberty group that is completely opposed to racism as well as a long time GOP activist. So... does that now mean Ron Paul endorses MY agenda because he took a picture with me? How about all the pictures of Ron Paul with blacks, asians, hispanics, etc.. So does he endorse THOSE ideas because he has a picture with them? |
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hat is more disgusting: being a racist yourself or accusing good people trying irradicate racism of being racists?
Either way, you are advancing the cause of racism, aren't you?
"But then, you are going to believe what you wish to believe, right? You are going to take the word of an openly hostile white supremecist that even his own brethren refuse to believe over a 72 year old doctor that preaches about Individual freedom and a world without racism and has been doing so for nearly 30 years. A doctor whose political inspiration comes from Jewish Scholars that survived the brutal holocaust." |
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Ryan01,
You know it's interesting how these "conservative" groups seem to have so many ties to these "supremasists." Every time they use them to attack a real conservative, it inevitably leads right back to them. Every damn time. In the past, this was always discovered too late. Hopefully we are wiser this time.
This whole thing was a total setup from the beginning. It all started with the freeper on the Florida Fox debate calling Ron Paul "cerifiably insane." I checked into the guy and he happens to live in West Palm Beach and just so happened to attend the pro-Bush rally in 2000 WITH Don Black. Their names show up multiple times together in web searches.
The AP writer that "broke" the story about Ron Paul's donation also just happened to live in West Palm Beach with Don Black.
Seeing a pattern here, folks? Let's be absolutely clear: Libel and defamation of character ARE crimes. This is not protected political speech. By attempting to create and manipulate the U.S. elections and politics in general you are also committing terrorism against the U.S. Let's see conspiracy and racketeering as well...
Good thing Ron Paul has so many lawyers, law enforcement, intelligence, and military on his side. You can bet they will track this down and will be knocking on doors.
You people deserve to be put behind bars for this and rest assured, you WILL be caught.
I ask again, why would the White Supremecists want to stop the war in Iraq? Why would they want individual liberty and freedom for ALL races? Why are the "neocons" all former marxists? Why are their hands all over ethnic cleansing, like GWBs grandpappy Prescott Bush? THESE people are the real deal.
It really is as simple as that!
Ron Paul's message is completely incompatible with these extremists. |
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it was better than cats.
If at first calling Ron Paul supporters nasty name callers does not succeed, call Ron Paul names!
The neocons will be too stupid to see the hypocrisy. |
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Re: my last post -- that could be interpreted in two ways.
What I specifically meant was the article you copied is silly. |
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Now that's just silly.
And in the interest of full disclosure, I've been posting at LGF for years now. |
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I'm not sure about how Christians are doing over in Iran. I think they'll go the way of homosexuals if Ahmadinejad (sp?) has his way. It would be nice if the population would get rid of the mullahs, but I'm not sure if they are up to it. Certainly the Iraqis were unable to get rid of their own dictator.
Regarding Putin and Russia, as I understand it, the new NATO countries were formerly under Soviet rule (essentiall) and they requested NATO membership to prevent that from happening again -- that can hardly be blamed on us and it's in response to past Soviet imperialistic actions, not ours.
As for bases, I'm unaware of any bases other than those in Afghanistan and Iraq (are there any in the new NATO countries?).
And while Viet Nam may be slowly coming around, how many millions died before that? And Cuba hasn't come around at all. And now we've got Hugo Chavez to deal with in South America.
Communism/fascism isn't over -- it's still a threat, and I worry that it is aligning with islamist seeking to impose their own form of fascism. In either case, we are target number 1, and we shrink from recognizing that at our own peril. |
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Wacky Utterance of the Week: Little Green Footballs
Dec 20, 2007
Wacky Utterance of the Week: Little Green Footballs
So, the good people over at conservative blog Little Green Footballs accidentally linked themselves to the white nationalist movement today. Sort of. Maybe I should back up for a second.
For a while now, the majority of movement conservative pundits in this country have sought to discredit the libertarian-minded Ron Paul as a racist, having learned this neat trick through decades of tangles with their liberal adversaries, who themselves invented it. So far, nothing has really stuck. So you can imagine their delight when they found a shiny new talking point earlier this afternoon: Ron Paul regularly meets up for lunch with prominent white nationalists at a Washington, D.C. restaurant!
Holy smokes, right? I mean, that's pretty serious stuff!
So, who is this "Nazi," as Little Green Football terms him? Why, it's none other than Marcus Epstein!
Ahem. "Epstein."
So, who is this nice Jewish boy/Nazi agitator? Well, he's a writer. And who does Epstein write for? Among other things, he writes for Human Events. And what is Human Events? Why, it's a prominent, decades-old conservative news magazine that also publishes such other writers as Ann Coulter. It was, in fact, Ronald Reagan's favorite publication. Oh, and guess what? Its website links to Little Green Footballs!
Oh, and guess what else? Little Green Footballs often links to Human Events, which it has long been in the habit of praising!
So, in conclusion, the entire conservative movement is swarming with Nazi sympathizers who read a publication that prints Nazi articles written by Jewish Nazi writers. Either that, or it's not. That all depends on Little Green Footballs, now, doesn't it?
http://www.politicalbase.com/profile/Augustus/blog/&blogId= 814
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Yes, in Korea and Iran, we were countering the Soviets.
You said:
"Let's say we screwed up over there. Are we realistically in a position to leave the mullahs in power while they acquire WMD technology? The world isn't static, and they will get it if left alone. In fact, they seem to be intent, along with Vladmir Putin, with restarting the Cold War."
First, I am not convinced that this is what Iran is doing. Their oil reserves are shrinking and it makes sense to switch to nuclear power (which we should also do). Despite the mullahs, Iran is full of educated, sophisticated people. Their Christian community thrives. I take our government's pronouncements with a grain of salt--partly because I refuse to completely take the word of government employees. I fight bureaucrats daily in my job and I think they live in a world that encourages lying.
Second, with regard to Putin, we are encircling Russia with bases and NATO--we are poking a hornets nest. Why are we doing this? How would we like it if Russia encircled us with bases in countries near us. Whoops, they already tried it--in Cuba. We became rather angry over that.
Insofar as Korea is concerned, look at Vietnam. After a few years of pure communism (and no focal point for hostility--like American bases in S. Korea)--they went Capitalist. We got out, and they changed. |
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Sounds like your daughter has her head on straight (earning a PhD and all) -- good on her and on you for raising her to appreciate a good edumacation!
From what I see, that is his weakest position among libertarians. All domestic concerns are moot if we as a nation cease to exist, and we need a realistic foreign policy in this dangerous world if we are to remain a free and independent nation comprised of free and independent people (though not anarchists). |
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I don't disagree about Iran, but it was a different world then and we made mistakes in trying to reduce Soviet influence in the region given our dependence on cheap oil. (That said, I've never been a fan of supporting despots for that reason).
Let's say we screwed up over there. Are we realistically in a position to leave the mullahs in power while they acquire WMD technology? The world isn't static, and they will get it if left alone. In fact, they seem to be intent, along with Vladmir Putin, with restarting the Cold War.
I'm all for weaning ourselves from Middle East oil, but until we do so, I just don't believe we can realistically rely on their goodwill to not do everything in their power to weaken us.
Regarding Korea, I don't see how our involvement would have changed things. Instead of a belligerent, communist N. Korea, it would be a belligerent, communist Korea. At least S. Koreans have had a few generations that have lived in freedom. |
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currently working on her PhD in Government Policy.
Interesting that when she was in the initial course work phase, she took a few courses from Butterwoth and a two other known "experts" on the ME.
In fact, a couple of classes were cancelled because her profs were called to the WH to consult with Pres. Bush and some others.... She had some incredible profs.
Interesting, even many libertarians aren't happy with ronpaul's foreign policy....
It's actually quite frightening. And the fact that he wants to dismantle some vital and necessary departments, such as the CIA and FBI...
Now THAT'S scary. But, thank heaven he doesn't have a prayer...
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"So the question I have is -- if they were aware of the world as it now, would they suggest a more isolationist approach or a more proactive approach designed to preemptively remove substantial threats?"
First, we must assume some level of responsibility for where North Korea and Iran are at the moment. We deposed a democratically elected government in Iran to install the Shah, thus we have played a role in their destiny. Against the counsel of the Republican Party, we went to war in Korea. Thus, we had some impact upon them. In each case, had we adhered to the admonition of our founding fathers, these countries may have been considerably different.
So, we are stuck with a mess. However, in neither case do I believe that beating the war drums will achieve security for us as against those countries. I believe that we must indicate to the world that we are no longer the world police and that we are turning our attention to our own problems. If we do that, what incentive do these countries have to attack us? How could they attack us? They have no aircraft carriers or delivery missles capable of reaching us.
We must deal with the falling dollar, the gutting of our productive capabilities and the bursting of the real estate bubble. We have a decaying infrastructure and increasing inflation (despite what the CPI says). We cannot afford perpetual war--especially given that China is funding it and has openly talked about dumping the dollar as a reserve currency.
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None of us would do very well over there, I'm afraid.
One of my colleagues is a big Paul supporter (he's a libertarian, and I tend to have have libertarian leanings as well). That said, he isn't real keen on Paul's foreign policy positions, at least as indicated in the debates. As you can tell, neither am I. |
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That may have been the way he meant it. I took it in the broader context of that's why they've been attacking us for decades.
I tend to believe that their reasons are more ideological than political. The militants want us all dead because of who we are, in my opinion (that is, we don't believe what they say we should believe). That's why they attack all over the world, and not just Americans (for example, the Philippines as mentioned above).
In an age of nuclear weapons and ballistic missiles, I don't think we can just leave them alone to acquire those technologies. |
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I can appreciate your position.
I'm no historian by any stretch (though I do like to read history), so I don't have the historical context you bring.
That said, I think that the modern world, where single weapons can destroy large cities and a concerted attack could essentially cripple us as a nation, couldn't have been envisioned by the Founders when they advised us to avoid foreign entanglements. Nor could they have envisioned a time when a rogue nation like Iran or North Korea could potentially acquire nuclear weapons and the longe-range systems to deliver them. There advice was given at a time when we were protected by an ocean on the east and a largely unoccupied land-mass to the west.
So the question I have is -- if they were aware of the world as it now, would they suggest a more isolationist approach or a more proactive approach designed to preemptively remove substantial threats?
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"Like paul, they don't get that this has NOTHING to do with us being in the ME. It has to do with the radical Islamics seeing us ad INFIDELS... and their "missionary" goal is to make sure that we are either Muslims or dead!"
You need to read what Bin Laden said about...
Oh, never mind. You are simply too much a moron to understand.
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And neither would the paulists!!!!
They'd all have been separated from their heads by now.
Like paul, they don't get that this has NOTHING to do with us being in the ME. It has to do with the radical Islamics seeing us ad INFIDELS... and their "missionary" goal is to make sure that we are either Muslims or dead!
I hate to use the phrase "Cut and Dried" but that's pretty much it.
The LAST thing we need is a "Cut and Run" CIC who is the new Neville Chamberlain... and that's exactly what ronpaul is!
Remember, lawn signs don't elect a president, and money in the bank doesn't elect a president.
VOTES elect a president! And polls are a good INDICATOR of what the VOTES will be.
Whaa Whaa Whaa!
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"But I'm fairly confident he did state in that debate that the reason they are attacking us because we are over there, which to me is a "blame America first" comment."
While I agree with the first part of what you wrote it is on the second where my disagreement lies. I took him as saying that we are viewed as occupiers by the locals and by this he means due to policies put forth by the govt. In the Middle East they take a much dimmer view of this sort of thing than say, Europeans and Japanese and in regard to the last two they would like us to go home as well. I'm with them on that and it should have been done once the Soviets started abandoning their ammunition dumps in Germany around 1991 and engaging in a major pullback to the old USSR.
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First, I appreciate that fact that you are making reasoned arguments concerning issues that SHOULD be debated and that you are not merely calling people Paultards and the like.
You said:
"Are you suggesting that we should go back to isolationism?"
I don't think that we (or the America Firsters) were ever "isolationist" as that term in generally defined. (In fact--Charles Lindbergh who was accused of isolationism actually picked up and moved to Europe in 1935) I prefer the term "non-interventionist", which I definitely agree we should go back to being. I don't like being the world "improver". It smacks of social engineering.
I blame WWII on such world "improvers" as Wilson--who got us involved in a pissing match between royals, which is essentially what WWI was. Our founding fathers, who actually knew history, understood what happened to the common man during those European pissing matches between royals called war. They wanted us to stay out of them. WWI planted the seeds that would become nazism and fascism.
Yes, I do want to go back to non-interventionism because I want the U.S. to prosper and to be a positive force in the world by example. I want us to adhere to the Constitution, increase productivity so that we have something to trade, and to preserve individual liberties. We cannot do any of those things while waging perpetual war.
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Rosie is amazingly stupid. I fink it amusingly ironic that she spews hatred for the very country that allowed a person so stupid to succeed as she did. I seriously doubt she would have done nearly as well in, say, Saudi Arabia... |
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Fair enough, that's not an unreasonable position to take (though I tend to disagree, as per my prior post).
But I'm fairly confident he did state in that debate that the reason they are attacking us because we are over there, which to me is a "blame America first" comment.
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""LEAVE RON PAUL ALONE!!!!" Whaaa Whaa Whaa... Everybody is picking on ronpaul! Whaa Whaa Whaa"
No one has claimed that. What has been claimed was that this is nothing but a very vile smear by some very evil people, not that you would care.
"You won't get any reasonable answers from these paulists. They're absolutely incapable."
What would you know about a reasonable answer, seeing how you haven't posted one thing of merit on this thread. The only thing you have done is screech the entire time.
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No, I just read it.
Once again, my point is as above. The US really needs to stay out of the affairs of others and vice-versa. The things you wrote of came after WW I and no, I still think we should have attempted to stay out of that mess left over from WW I. I am a firm believer in armed neutrality.
Paul is calling this correctly, in my opinion. He has never "blamed America first" despite what some folks like Bill Kristol and Bill Bennett have claimed. There are quotes from Paul about this all over this board and youtube has a number of them as well from the debates. |
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of Rosie's rant on The View... "fire has never melted steel..."
Totally amazing, but just as stupid as these paulist's ranting an raging...
"LEAVE RON PAUL ALONE!!!!" Whaaa Whaa Whaa... Everybody is picking on ronpaul! Whaa Whaa Whaa
You won't get any reasonable answers from these paulists. They're absolutely incapable. And of course you've noticed that the best knight of boohoo can come up with is name calling and repeating what you or I have posted. (THAT takes an IQ of ZERO!)
I have to admit, however, that I do love it when they get all riled up like crazed nut cases.. Ha Ha.
I can only imagine what they're going to do when ronniepaul doesn't get the nomination. :-)
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This is your 5:45 PM post:
"Anytime you antiPaulbots want to
provide some reasoned arguments, that will be great. Until then: expect your stupidity to be parroted right back at you. That is all your stupidity deserves. If you don't like it: start using your brain. Not my problem or fault otherwise. "
My first post was at 6:15 PM:
"Ron Paul said in one of the debates that the reason the islamists are attacking us is that we are "over there."
As has been pointed out on this blog and elsewhere, the Philippines have suffered many attacks from islamists. Exactly who are they occupying?
Ron Paul doesn't understand the nature of the threat to Western Civilization and can't be trusted with US national security."
You responded at 6:34 PM with (just your closing statement):
"But that's just reality, and I know the neo-cons don't like reality."
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So, I stated an opinion based upon Paul's position as he stated in the debate, and you responded with name calling and an insult.
You lied again, as usual.
Game, set, and match... loser.
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I responded but I think a dingo ate my post!
I'm going to wait a few minutes before I retype it (I've seen a lot of double-posts at TH)... |
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Thanks.
Let's assume that we did make mistakes -- would it not have been better to have nipped the Hitler and Stalin problems in the bud before they became so severe?
There was also the problem if the imperalistic Japan spreading its influence a la the Rape of Nanking.
My point is that we need to stay involved and active in shaping world affairs rather than shrink from them and have to react at much greater cost later. Paul's comment that the reason they hate us is that we are "over there" is a bit simplistic to me and smacks of a "blame America first" mentality. |
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You brought up my messing with your nic. I responded that "I distored your nic after you implied I couldn't face reality and that I was a neocon."
Note that I mistyped "distorted" as "distored," but anybody with more than a couple of firing neurons could have inferred from the context that I was intending to type "distorted" not "destroyed."
Why somebody with only two firing neurons would want to run his own life is baffling to me...
Regarding the OK girl, I haven't followed the link but equating that and slicing off non-believers heads is moronic to the point of lunacy. |
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Gee, I'm disappointed, but not surprised. I was hoping this would be a moment when "even a blind pig finds an acorn", but no, it's just Anne making things up again in a vain attempt to make a point of some sort. :D |
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You're welcome and yes, they were engage in bolshevik activity prior to WW I. In fact, for a while Trotsky and Zinoviev resided in NYC. So much for immigration enforcement against undesirable aliens back then, I suppose.
My own belief is by getting involved in that mess it prevented a negotiated peace from possibly being arranged and I think that would have gone a long way to keeping Lenin from seizing power. The strong possibility of US involvement due to the war party over here encouraged no settlement. |
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I haven't heard of any student being expelled for not praying at a public school. Got a link?
And somehow that compares to a caliphate imposed at the tip of the sword?
I think you have a seriously warped sense of proportion there, my friend
That said, you really are funny. You can hardly manage to construct a coherent post (and yes, I misspelled "distored" in my previous post -- sue me!), but, sure, you have every right to run your own life. As long as it doesn't interfere with mine.
I'm curious -- are you an environmentalist as well? |
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Anarchism... congratulations False Knight, you have managed to chain yourself to the stupidiest ideology available, the only one which has no chance of ever winning in the real world. Enjoy your fantasy world, it is all you'll ever have. |
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I've read the thread and I didn't seen these posts claiming the election was rightfully Paul's, so therefore I don't believe you.
If you can find these figments of your imagination post it with the time so I can check you on it. Surprise me, Anne. |
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Quit lying.
I distored your nic after you implied I couldn't face reality and that I was a neocon.
It's all in black and white for anybody who cares to see up above.
Liar.
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That's an interesting thread you linked to and shows a person that has a sense of humor, however crude. It is also one person, I note. I liked this comment about Bill White, the liar or agent provocatuer on that same thread:
"That guy is a nut. He was a former Communist Anarchist now neo nazi. The guy has a reputation for putting out false stories about his enemies just to get attention. Makes you wonder if this guy is a front for some left wing groups or a fed himself."
Kevin, you're amongst friends here. Admit it, you are Bill White for the above description fits you quite well. |
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Thank you for a reasonable response.
Weren't Marx and Lenin preaching their brand of totalitarianism before WW1? Their movements were already in their infancies before we started meddling over there, were they not? That's not to say some misguided policies of our own didn't help them along (I'm not saying they did or didn't - I honestly don't know). |
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is anyone of the paulbots going to explain why the election is rightfully pauls?"
"Whoever said it was, Anne?"
THE PAULISTS have said it countless times... Look at the posts above, dunderhead!
I'll check back when you've had a chance to read through the posts and find it...
Okay? LOL
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I half expected a reasonable response, after k_o_b's statement above that he would respond resonably.
I offered a statement of Paul's, paraphrasing it as he himself stated it in the debate, and all I got back was arrogance and being called a neocon.
I should have known better reading through his other posts that he isn't capable of reasoned discussion without namecalling and (unjustified) hubris. |
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No, what I am saying our involvement in WW I contributed not only to the rise of fascism, but bolshevism as well. Starting in the middle of the 20th century is a typical trick the neocons in the WSJ employ to avoid having to deal with the problems caused by overseas meddling can bring about. We have to start at the beginning, not the middle in order to understand a chain of events. |
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"If the muslims want to establish a worldwide caliphate, the christians want to establish a worldwide christian theocracy.
Or don't you like it when it's done to you?"
Really? I haven't noticed Christians slicing off non-believer's heads lately. Or flying planes into buildings. Or blowing up trains. Or blowing up busses. Or blowing up nightclubs.
Nice try...
As for your thoughts on secession, admit it -- you aren't a libertarian, you're an anarchist. |
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No False Knight; I support the integrity of the Union. You don't. |
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reasonable, rational, intelligent answer to that question?
Good luck! :-)
Take a look at the "Leave Ron Paul Alone" picture at the top of the blog.
Well, that pretty much says it all! The paulists are whining and crying and having world class temper tantrums, just like that Leave Ron Paul Alone picture... Little whiney crybabies! Whaaa... Whaaa... Whaa...
In fact, I can hardly wait to see one of these limited lunatics doing the exact same thing on YouTube....
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"You're so desperate for their help you can't afford to stand on moral principle."
What would you know about that, Kevin. You have shown yourself to be a liar and a smearmonger of the lowest sort. |
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"Hi Lili:
Thanks for the link to the La Raza donations. This only shows, Congressman Paul has a wonderful knack for attracting the dissaffected of all stripes. That isn't much of a mark in his favor."
You and Kevin both have a reading comprehension problem. "Lili" is refering to money La Raza gets from the Feds, you idiot, not Paul.
You people don't deserve a thoughtful, intelligent president. You deserve a keeper.
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... NOT ONE THING... that requires an IQ of even room temperature, (with the AC on full blast!) on any TH blog or thread... EVER!
But then, I haven't seen anything from any of the paulists post anything of worth or intellect either...
So, we can't expect much! LOL
Bunch of little panzies! :-)
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Yes, I'm aware that the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor.
So, by your logic, absent that, we should have abandoned Europe to fascism? And they would have just left us alone? Sort of like the Soviets? |
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"And, BY THE WAY, is anyone of the paulbots going to explain why the election is rightfully pauls?"
Whoever said it was, Anne? If you are trying to make a point about something please try to do it in an intelligent manner instead of making up crap. That's Kevin's department. |
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is so "mindless and stupid" in my posts???
Go ahead, paulbot idiot, be specific. Tear it apart. I dare you...
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA
I'm bettin' that it won't be as coherent as Miss Teen USA 2007 - South Carolina
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lj3iNxZ8Dww
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Please, go ahead. I could use a real laugh about now..... HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA
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knight_of_baawa writes: Thursday, December, 20, 2007 6:34 PM
"As has been pointed out
The muslims in the Philippines are trying to establish a separate muslim country. IOW: they want to secede, just like the American colonies did from England.
But that's just reality, and I know the neo-cons don't like reality."
The islamists in the Philippines and elsewhere aren't interested in secession -- they want to establish a world-wide caliphate.
Or don't you believe in freedom of religion?
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Check the link above...
Paul supporters refer to themselves as RPA's. None of the anti-Paul types started that. The numbnut was dumb enough to give $2300 to the man and then name himself an RPA...
Check that.
A PROUD RPA!
It is just really telling that those of you who support him, and he the candidate himself - refuse to denounce - the Truthers, MoveOn'ers, Nazi's, and Conspiracy Nuts that his campaign has attracted.
You're so desperate for their help you can't afford to stand on moral principle.
And no... I get paid by no campaign. Hugh's page is the one bought and sold. Not mine. |
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From the False Knight:
"Doesn't grasp that secession is a right, and that waging a war of aggression against people in a country far away from you is immoral.
Now, FalseRuyDiaz, have you ever heard of morality? I daresay that you haven't."
First of all, I must congratulate the world's Muslims for their energetic use of the "right" of secession. They are trying to "secede" in the Philiphines, in Indonesia, in the former Yugoslavia, in Russia....
But I disgress. Tell me, false Knight, if our Muslim friends decide their want their own city-state in Dearborn, Michigan--secession is a right, you see--will you support them? |
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"McCain was absolutely correct when he pointed out (during the sham CNN/YouTube debate) that Ron Paul-style isolationism is what led to WW2."
No, he's wrong. It was the Japanese attack on Pearl habor followed by Germany's declaration of war that led to the US being involved in WW II.
You really need to start at the beginning with Woodrow Wilson and HIS demand for Congress to declare on first on Germany in WW I. If the US govt. had minded its own business instead of sticking its nose in a European war we would most likely would have been spared Hitler and Lenin.
McCain is showing his ignorance of history. |
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What does the party have to do with it? From what I've read, the population was largely isolationist. Regardless, it was a mistake.
Are you suggesting that we should go back to isolationism? |
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You cannot disagree with ronpaul or support another candidate without being accused of being "afraid" of ronpaul or "hating" ronpaul.
You're not allowed to have an opinion that might differ from the paulists!
You either fall in "lock step" with them, or you get the 'blog beating' of your life.
That's supposed to be liberty! Right?
And, BY THE WAY, is anyone of the paulbots going to explain why the election is rightfully pauls?
I'm _W A I T I N G!!!! Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha
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wow, the neotards are pulling deep to try and smear Paul.. it's funny stuff.
RP'08! |
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I especially like this part of the platform on National Defense:
"We declare for the prompt, orderly and realistic building of our national defense to the point at which we shall be able not only to defend the United States, its possessions, and essential outposts from foreign attack, but also efficiently to uphold in war the Monroe Doctrine. To this task the Republican party pledges itself when entrusted with national authority. In the meantime we shall support all necessary and proper defense measures proposed by the Administration in its belated effort to make up for lost time; but we deplore explosive utterances by the President directed at other governments which serve to imperil our peace; and we condemn all executive acts and proceedings which might lead to war without the authorization of the Congress of the United States."
http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=29640
Silly Republicans in 1940--such isolationists.
They didn't have the "vision" of FDR when it came to foreign affairs. They caused WWII by wanting to focus only on the interests of their own country.
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"RPA'sssssssss
Are in da' house!"
Kevin,
Are you being paid piece rate to post all of this garbage about Paul?
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Knight of Buahhaha: Proud to be the Charter Member of the first class of RPAs! |
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"That more ties to neo nazis and white supremacists is coming out isn't surprising at all. This isn't by coincidence."
Of course not. It is an organized smear and you know it.
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If the guy that wrote this truly was a commander of the American Nazi party, he would hate the ideas Ron paul espouses because Nazis are in favor of big government.
Explain alot about this supposed speech. |
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It's nice to see you posting again. I missed the sort of mindless stupidity you always bring to a thread. |
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"McCain was absolutely correct when he pointed out (during the sham CNN/YouTube debate) that Ron Paul-style isolationism is what led to WW2."
Do you mean those silly Republicans who included the following in the Republican Party Platform of 1940?
"National Defense
The Republican Party is firmly opposed to involving this Nation in foreign war.
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The present National Administration has already spent for all purposes more than fifty-four billion dollars;—has boosted the national debt and current federal taxes to an all-time high; and yet by the President's own admission we are still wholly unprepared to defend our country, its institutions and our individual liberties in a war that threatens to engulf the whole world; and this in spite of the fact that foreign wars have been in progress for two years or more and that military information concerning these wars and the re-armament programs of the warring nations has been at all times available to the National Administration through its diplomatic and other channels.
The Republican Party stands for Americanism, preparedness and peace. We accordingly fasten upon the New Deal full responsibility for our un-preparedness and for the consequent danger of involvement in war.
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Our sympathies have been profoundly stirred by invasion of unoffending countries and by disaster to nations whole ideals most closely resemble our own. We favor the extension to all peoples fighting for liberty, or whose liberty is threatened, of such aid as shall not be in violation of international law or inconsistent with the requirements of our own national defense.
We believe that the spirit which should animate our entire defensive policy is determination to preserve not our material interests merely, but those liberties which are the priceless heritage of America."
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Two thousand years ago they said "Jesus eats with tax collectors and sinners!"
c'mon, can't you come up with something more original? If that's the best you can do then we are in better shape than I thought!
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I received this letter a few days ago:
"I was recently at a McDonald's and overheard someone talking about former baseball player Mike Schmidt. Twelve conversations later, they mentioned....ADOLF HITLER!!!"
So what is the Mike Schmidt - Adolf Hitler connection? We've attempted to contact Mike. He gave us the lame excuse of "I don't know what you're talking about" before hanging up on us. He has yet to return any of our follow-up calls. Clearly, Mike Schmidt is a neo-nazi. All you Schmitbots and Schmidttards need to get with the program, Mike Schmidt is a kook!
Further promoting Mike Schmidt's clear nazi-sympathizing, is another e-mail I got from someone I never met before, but still know for a fact that evertyhing he says is true (after all, would a man hiding behind an anonymous server claiming to be a white supreicist lie?).
"Dear Sir,
I am a member of the KKK, the Black Panthers, NAMBLA, the ACLU, the freemasons, the John Birch Society and the puppy dog foundation. At one kkk rally, I met up with Mike Schmidt and we began talking. A few minutes later, Mike Schmidt was the guest speaker! He said stuff so disingenuous, that even I, as a white supremacist, took offense to. I cannot reveal who I am, but I can tell you, you have my solid word, I swear on the organizations I am a part of that Mike Schmidt is a NAZI!"
So there you have it people. Clearly, these anonymous, unverifiably sources PROVE WITHOUT A DOUBT, that Mike Schmist is a nazi.
Now i've done it, here come the Schmidtbots! |
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Let me get this straight:
1. Our false Knight supports the Philipino Muslims' right to secession.
and...
2. Opposses the "Christian Crusade" to eliminate Islam.
Now false Knight, have you ever heard the word Jihad? It is like this J-I-H-A-D. It is the Islamic doctrine that compels the believers to wage war until the whole world submits to Allah.
Do you think that has something to do with your beloved Philipino Muslims? |
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One post, and you infer that I'm a neo-con?
Can you please tell me a neo-con is?
Regarding islamists and Philippines, can you say "caliphate?" They don't want to secede, they want to spread their brand of fascism.
McCain was absolutely correct when he pointed out (during the sham CNN/YouTube debate) that Ron Paul-style isolationism is what led to WW2.
I'd rather not repeat that mistake in the age of nuclear weapons. Would you? |
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At least Fred Thompson has better numbers than ronniepaul..
Now, I'm not happy with Fred's numbers... but at least he HAS numbers that are in "double digits."
The good news is that there is still time, and Rudy is slipping... Whew!
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"Thanks to all the LGF readers coming on by... the water is nice and warm given the overheating the PaulPots are doing on this message board right now."
Oh yes, they are making such logical arguments in support of your foray into yellow journalism and your employment of such logical fallacies as "guilt by association" and "appeal to authority" (an avowed neo-nazi being your authority, by the way). Pol Pot would be proud of you. He could have used your poison pen during his show trials.
"Looks like the eatery even comped Ron Paul's lunch as a campaign contribution."
Do you know what the word "disbursement" means?
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YES! I’ve heard that several times before.
I’m relatively sure…. 95% sure, that this question will NOT be addressed, much less answered, and even less that it will be answered in a direct, honest, rational, intelligent way.
But, I would like to know just how and why any paulist actually believes that the presidency is “rightfully ronpaul’s”
We’re NOT talking about a rightful succession to the throne… We’re electing a president, and the operative term here is “ELECT.”
Clearly, the presidency DOES NOT BELONG to ANYONE until such time that the votes are counted, and the candidate who has the most votes (such as George W. Bush, in both elections!!!!!!) is ELECTED POTUS!
Obviously, the concept of a free election has eluded the paulists if they actually believe that the presidency is rightfully anyone’s.
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That more ties to neo nazis and white supremacists is coming out isn't surprising at all. This isn't by coincidence.
His supporters know it, but they don't care. Obviously they support these positions by the very company they keep.
In the early 90s, Ron Paul wrote a scathing a racial news letter:
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.african.american /msg/c8668bd3662b0fa5
His neonazi supporters have been conditioned to respond that this was a ghost writer to quickly dismiss it, but this isn't true. Ron Paul actually defended this newsletter in 1996, taking responsibility for it, and defending it.
Obviously, if a Zionist Jew had made the remarks, Ron Paul supporters would give it more credibility (that's sarcasm!), but since it's one of the many white supremacists that support Ron Paul and has first hand knowledge, then it couldn't possibly be true (that's sarcasm too!).
To some of their credit, I have seen some Ron Paul supporters throw in the towel on a few forums I frequent. Obviously they are not so brain washed and have principles they will not compromise. Others, apparently have no principles to compromise in the first place, so they are here living in denial instead.
Not like it really matters. Ron Paul couldn't win the primaries if he were the only candidate. The irony is, Ron Paul had the gall to talk about fascism towards Huckabee. Perhaps less irony and more psychological projection would be a more appropriate observation.
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If this is the best RP supporters have then we can all sleep better tonight.
I no longer vote for RINO's, that's why I'm voting for Fred.
And to really get people stoked up, I may not vote in the general election if Fred does not get the nod. Why? Cause I am sick of RINO's destroying the GOP and our country! |
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Ron Paul said in one of the debates that the reason the islamists are attacking us is that we are "over there."
As has been pointed out on this blog and elsewhere, the Philippines have suffered many attacks from islamists. Exactly who are they occupying?
Ron Paul doesn't understand the nature of the threat to Western Civilization and can't be trusted with US national security.
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Hi Anne:
You don't understand, it is all a conspiracy! Paul is really leading in the polls, because there are more lawn signs for him. Unfortunately, this won't work on election day, because yet another conspiracy will rob Dr. Paul of his rightful victory.
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Even after the Beck interview.....
Huckabee - 21%
McCain - 15%
Romney - 15%
Guiliani - 13%
Thompson - 12%
Where is ronpaul?
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1. See what I mean? Exactly what I said. LOL
and
2. Yes they can!
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Ah, false Knight, who says I don't like it. Few things could be as satisfying as watching a Ron Paulista reduced to a parrot on his own volition. What better metaphor could I hope for? |
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"Anytime you antiPaulbots want to
provide some reasoned arguments, that will be great. Until then: expect your stupidity to be parroted right back at you. That is all your stupidity deserves. If you don't like it: start using your brain. Not my problem or fault otherwise."
The mentally unstable: Ron Paul's natural base.
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I do notice your wonderful intellect allows you to come up with ideas of your own. Congratulations! |
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Someone above in one of the postings asking Kevin what he has against white people. C'mon people, you can't be that dumb.... can you? |
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Hi false Knight;
You write: "Why do you want to murder innocent Iraqis? What do you have against the Iraqis? The intellectual vacancy of the antiPaulbots is stunning!"
You are the PERFECT Ron Paulista. Intellectually vacuous, and morally perverted. You and Ron Paul deserve each other. |
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Hi Capitalist Infidel;
I had a conversation today with a Paulbot in which he insisted that:
A) Ron Paul was on the lead, and
B) The results from the upcoming Iowa Caucuses will mean nothing because there will be widespread fraud.
There is no way to assault such a fortress of denial. |
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Hi Capitalist Infidel;
(Do I know you from somewhere? Anyway...)
I had a conversation with a Paulbot today. He insisted that:
A) Ron Paul was on the lead, and
B) The upcoming Iowa caucus would mean nothing because there would be widespread fraud.
I'm sorry, but I cannot assault such a fortress of denial. |
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al Qaeda says the central war is in Iraq. Tell me knight_of_baawa what do you have against killing terrorists? The intellectual vacancy of the paulbots is stunning! |
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I just cannot see him as the leader of the greatest nation on Earth. He has become the tool of way too many whackos! |
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There are laws against slander. Somebody else noted that Kevin's tack on this thread sullies journalism and I agree. This is even more low-brow than Rupert's glossy-lipped news bimbos. You come across as a little man, but do try to keep the punches up, McCullough.
As Charlie's cited article indicates, Ron Paul doesn't share the ideologies of White Nationalists and they know it. I don't think $500 out of $20 million will buy much influence, nor countermand 20 years of public service to peaceful, productive Americans of every stripe.
Others have pointed out Paul's affinity for Mises and his high regard for Dr. Walter Williams, two strange looking Aryans, indeed. |
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Hi Lili:
Thanks for the link to the La Raza donations. This only shows, Congressman Paul has a wonderful knack for attracting the dissaffected of all stripes. That isn't much of a mark in his favor. |
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sure are out today. Anything negative said about him and his sheeple blog swarm. It's rather amusing. |
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But wait, one of the commenters said that "now we are to believe Pat Buchanan is a white supremacist"?
Uhm, are you sure that's a comparision you want to make? |
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ronpaul or support another candidate without being accused of being "afraid" of ronpaul or "hating" ronpaul.
You're not allowed to have an opinion that might differ from the paulists!
You either fall in "lock step" with them, or you get the 'blog beating' of your life.
That's supposed to be liberty! Right!
And, of course, it doesn't matter that even after his interview with Glenn Beck, which was quite good in that Beck provided an open forum for paul. But, as of today paul's numbers were no better than they were before his interview with Beck.
Of course, the accusations that anyone is "afraid" for a candidate who can't break single digits is preposterous!
However, on the other hand, I am afraid of Rudy, and so far there is reason to be afraid of him while he has serious numbers.
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The louder the Paulians squeal, the more concrete it becomes. The light has been shown on the Paul supporters and they are scurrying like the insects they are! |
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but that sad faced girl looks like her favorite boyfriend just got engaged to somebody else or some other personal disaster. You wouldn't want to be pictured on the internet looking that sad & I don't think she would want her angst to be exploited in such a manner, either. |
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I already dealt with this crap on the other thread. Big deal.
How about a Thompson-Aristide ticket? Works for me! |
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I just think KMC enjoys getting the hits from posting rumors, innuendo, and rantings with inflammatory headlines.
Let's all just stop visiting his blog and maybe he'll fade away. |
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So the press is worried about a $500 donation from a racist...well if they are that worried & concerned why the heck don't they report the "MILLIONS" that our government FUNDS the racist LA RAZA!!!! That makes the government racist does'nt it if they are contributing to their cause with YOUR TAX DOLLARS...also it would make us all guilty by 'association' in letting them do this with our money!!! Millions would most certainly help a cause more than $500.00.
LA CLINICA DE LA RAZA
California
$4,335,555
LA RAZA
District of Columbia
$496,000
NATIONAL COUNCIL OF LA RAZA
District of Columbia
$1,763,348
Total recipients for fiscal year 2006: 3
Federal funding (within this search) for the year : $6,594,903 |
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I think that Kevin Crackpot would rather be irrelevant. Posting obvious garbage like this is a way to insure so. That $500 will do a hell of a lot less damage to someone compared to the corporate money some of these guys are receiving to buy favors from the next administration. That is corrupting the political process and you would think that "christian" Crackpot would be upset over that, but apparently not. Some folks (or entities) are more equal than others.
Paul will use that $500 to do good. |
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Ron Paul could lunch with me anytime he gets out to my place or where ever I'm having lunch at. I don't see where calling a small percentage of his supporters 'racist' is going to stop anybody from voting for him! Is calling a candidate's supporters 'racist' supposed to make people vote for your choice of candidate? In whose world does that little maneuver work? Why not write something positive about the candidate(s) you like instead of badmouth his(her?) competitors? There has to be something positive to say about anybody who is worth voting for. Let's hear it! |
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Kevin McCullough thinks a club named for Robert A. Taft, who was once called "Mr. Republican", is a white supremacist group. And the website he links to to support this claim calls McCullough's fellow townhall.com columnist Pat Buchanan a "white nationalist" and the website vdare.com, which has published other townhall.com columnists, a "hate site".
McCullough should know that the Southern Poverty Law center thinks anyone to the right of Jimmy Carter is a neo-nazi. But then, I think he does know that.
Sadly, this new wave of malicious attacks on Ron Paul was quite predictable in the wake of his December 16 fundraising success. And the attacks will only intensify once he begins winning some primaries and state caucuses.
The thing that used to really make me absolutely detest the left was not so much their views -- many of which I actually agree with -- but their tendency to lie about and smear anyone who disagrees with them on even minor issues. Now that the neocon right is doing the same thing, I'm coming to feel the same way about them.
It used to be that reading townhall.com was one of the first things I did every morning. Now, more often that not, I skip it. If you want some more variety (and more open-mindedness) in your conservative commentary, try worldnetdaily.com. And if you want to read the absolutely best conservative commentary on the internet, try ilanamercer.com.
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Is it any wonder these lies come out just after the money bomb and the great interview on Glenn Beck.
Ron Paul cna no longer be slandered as some 9/11 Truther so now they're going back yet again with the same old tired Neo-Nazi lie.
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"Racism is simply an ugly form of collectivism, the mindset that views humans strictly as members of groups rather than individuals. Racists believe that all individuals who share superficial physical characteristics are alike: as collectivists, racists think only in terms of groups. By encouraging Americans to adopt a group mentality, the advocates of so-called "diversity" actually perpetuate racism. Their obsession with racial group identity is inherently racist.
The true antidote to racism is liberty. Liberty means having a limited, constitutional government devoted to the protection of individual rights rather than group claims. Liberty means free-market capitalism, which rewards individual achievement and competence, not skin color, gender, or ethnicity.
More importantly, in a free society every citizen gains a sense of himself as an individual, rather than developing a group or victim mentality. This leads to a sense of individual responsibility and personal pride, making skin color irrelevant. Rather than looking to government to correct our sins, we should understand that racism will endure until we stop thinking in terms of groups and begin thinking in terms of individual." -- Ron Paul
http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul68.html
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As far as Bill White's letter is concerned, I have never seen it before, but I would stake my reputation on the fact that it is a complete and utter lie. Dr. Paul is about as far from a racist, as one could possibly get. If I for one minute thought he was, I certainly would not be supporting him. I have followed this man for well over 20 years and I have never seen one word come out of his mouth that would cause me to think that he was in anyway racist. In fact, just the opposite. He has spoken many times that racism is the worst kind of collectivism. Paul is for the individual and our inherent rights. Those rights are not dependent upon the color of one's skin.
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I already knew from your previous blogs that you despise Ron Paul and will print anything without regard for it's voracity.
I did a quick Google search for Black Panthers, the racist, formerly terrorist organization that has the same views towards whites that the KKK has towards other races, both organizations are a sad commentary on intollerance.
There are a number of articles out there, written by Black Panther members, saying they support Obamaa. Here is one such article: http://blacks4barack.blogspot.com/2007/10/nyc-councilman-f ormer-black-panther.html
The question I have of you Kevin McCullough is - why are you only choosing to report the nuts who support Ron Paul? Why haven't you written a single solitary article about the nuts who say Obama is their friend?
I went to the source of your article and found that even on that white supremicist trash website, they didn't agree and thought the author of the article was a raving lunatic.
One final note, what self respecting white supremicist organization would have their lunches in an asian restaurant? I believe they would rather die than betray their heritage by eating with "those kinds".
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Bill White, Commander
American National Socialist Workers Party
That's a real credible source!
Why don't you start believe the Rainbow/Push Coalition or the Nation of Islam as well!!! |
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http://www.comicmix.com/news/2007/12/10/presidential-candid ate-ron-paul-picks-his-super-hero-favorite/
"My favorite comic book superhero is Baruch Wane, otherwise known as Batman, in The Batman Chronicles. "The Berlin Batman," #11 in the series by Paul Pope, details Batman's attempts to rescue the confiscated works of persecuted Austrian economist, Ludwig von Mises, from Nazi Party hands.
“Batman's assistant Robin writes in the memoirs, "[Mises] was an advocate of individual liberty, free speech, and free thinking... and so, should I add, the Berlin Batman." Batman, a Jew in hiding in Nazi Austria, was willing to risk his life for the sake of the promulgation of freedom, and I find this to be super-heroic."
Wow. Doesn't sound like something a Nazi would way, does it? Kind of shows what this whole blog post is about -- a desperate smear campaign from someone too intellectually feeble to debate Ron Paul's actual ideas. Go ahead, call his anti-war stances "naive," but lets actually debate them. The politics of character assassination used to be derided by conservatives at TownHall when employed by people like the Clintons; now it's the preferred tactic of TownHall writers. |
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In the good old days, Goldwater and Reagan were smeared by the left as being Nazis too. How sad it is that so-called "conservatives" are now the ones doing the smearing. |
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1. It was the Robert Taft Club for God's sake. Robert Taft! Does that sound like a front for racism? Geez. Is he supposed to check the background records of the members, before he agrees to speak to them? Use common sense, people.
2. Don King's donation to the campaign. Let's think about this logically. One donation out of hundreds of thousands. Is anyone here suggesting that campaigns start running these same background checks on every person who donates to their campaign? Who will be the judge? Should we establish a panel in our country to "judge" who is worthy of donating to a campaign or anything else? Who will choose that panel?
King has said that he supports Congressman Paul because of his stance on stopping illegal immigration. Who here doesn't want to stop illegal immigration? Please stand up! Even though I personally find Mr. King's other beliefs to be more than distasteful, he has the right to donate money to any candidate that he chooses. Wouldn't you rather that he have less money to promote his racism? I would. Dr. Paul is not for sale. That money will be used to promote getting the word out to America that we need to return to our Constitutional principles. I would much rather the $500 go for that, than anything Mr. King might spend it on. How about you? Furthermore, I respect Dr. Paul's backbone in not buckling under to political-correctness and MSM pressure. |
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or am I blind...Ron Paul has suggested he would be involved in some capicity in his administration when he wins...http://blog.washingtonpost.com/sleuth/2007/05/do_tell_ron_paul_on_babies_pro.html (it's as his running mate in this article) and there is a youtube where he repeats it. Sounds like a white supremicist to me...Ludwig von Mises his personal hero (paul has a picture of him hanging in his office) is Jewish. Sounds like a racist to me... http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2007/ 12/ron-pauls-favor.html |
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Guilt by association is a tactic of desperation.
Why are these people stooping to thse depths in order to derail a candidate they say has no chance of winning.
I'm shocked to say the least that this crap is allowed on townhall. I'd expect something like this out of Al Sharpton.
To insinuate that Ron Paul supports Neo-Nazi's is deperate and simply a lie.
This looks like something along the lines of the Texas man dragged behind a truck in a commercial against Bush back before the 2000 I believe.
Kevin McCullough is a Jesse Jackson wannabe. |
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I was wondering how long it would take you to post this latest smear of Paul by desperate, evil people. You people really are frantic over Paul and it shows by you posting this crap.
Doesn't it strike you as strange that a bunch of "nazis" would eat at a Thai restaurant? Not very aryan of them. Also, there are something like six restaurants by the same name in the DC area, so it may not even be the same one assuming any of this is true.
Even worse for the smearmongers is that Marcus Epstein is half Jewish. And to think, all of this based on a claim by someone who is either a bald face liar or an agent provocateur.
One other thing, Kevin. A "disbursement" is for services rendered, i.e., paying for lunch. It is not a donation. That's what happens when you allow all that hatred to get the better of you. You make stupid, ignorant mistakes. |
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Proverbs 6:16-19
There are six things that the Lord hates, seven that are an abomination to him: haughty eyes, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, a heart that devises wicked plans, feet that make haste to run to evil, a false witness who breathes out lies, and one who sows discord among brothers. |
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Kevin McCullough is a shameless punk. Unbelievable that Town Hall allows this kind of garbage. For the record I was a member of Town Hall back when it was a pay site in the 90s. You paid 40 dollars a year to read the columnist. Now it has turned into nothing but a NeoCon character assination web site.
Jonathan Garthwaite, I hope your proud of what this once fine web site has turned into. |
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TownHall.com, DailyKos, Wonkette, and Southern Poverty Law center come together (as the unified-establishment party they really are anyway) to smear a REPUBLICAN candidate!
While this may be shocking news to those not regularly comparing posts between the socialist websites and the neocon websites, it is very apparent to those who do.
The language, jingoism, and childish monikers such as PaulPot, paultards, etc.. are universally shared by both groups. Their arguments are absolutely IDENTICAL, and the "conservative" pundits are caught time and time again critizing Ron Paul's policies (that are entirely conservative) as "insane."
People are you SURE you are getting your information from real conservatives or is TownHall really a front-organization for the socialists?
I'll take off my tin-foil hat once the Townhall bloggers take off theirs. When Hillary wins next year, guess who will really be to blame? |
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please correct me if i am not summarizing your evidence for ron paul promoting white supremacy policy correctly:
1) one of his donors is a known white supremacist.
would you also ask ron paul (as well as all other candidates) to return their money to all pedofiles, murderers, thiefs or adulterers? and, if they refuse, you would conclude that those candidates promote murder, pedofilia or adultery?
the only relevant measure of one's racism is his written, spoken and legislative record. who supports them is completely irrelevant.
2) some guy at some board said ron paul was regularly meeting with them.
some guys at some boards also claim that ron paul is the savior of mankind. are you giving these posts equal consideration?
3) ron paul paid for a lunch at some eatery from his campaign money. and that is a problem, how exactly?
ron paul's candidacy might not accomplish much but at least it might give balls to more people to stick to what they believe and not apologize whenever somebody feels like accusing them as racists etc.
you are so moral and pure and ron paul is so base and evil... you believe this, don' you? |
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I only wish I could be a fly on the wall to see you crap yourself when the iowa results start to come in.
I'm not sure if your short-bus fodder is an attempt at journalism, but if so, please stop. There are some good folks in the field that don't want our profession sullied with your half-rate hack-level antics.
I guess Town Hall needs a pedestrian, talentless hack to appeal to the beer and pork scratchings crowd.... you'll do just fine. |
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all I can take of this BS here on Townhall. Is there a process to flag a blogger for being offensive?
Kevin, you have got to be the single most childish person I have come across here on TH and that is saying a lot, really. You apparently have absolutely no ability to be ashamed.
Absolutely disgusting. I think I just might go find some disreputable forum and start posting that YOU are a member, then have it published all over the place.
Ron Paul's message and LIFE is completely and totally INCOMPATIBLE with racism and communism (you know, the whole PaulPot thing...)
You are not only trolling, but now moving into the land of libel and defamation of character.
You are a disgusting piece of trash.
Good riddance TownHall.com! |
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For those too young to remember, CBS ran a story in 1964 about how Barry Goldwater was secretly meeting with Nazis in Bavaria.
The the LBJ campaign commissioned a bunch of head shrinkers to put out an article saying that Goldwater was insane.
I pretty much see the same things being done today by wimps like McCullough |
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Looks like the Chicken Hawks are on the war path. |
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Generally, the Neocons wait until the real conservative is in the lead before they start up on him. Paul has what, eight percent?
Not like he's Buchanan winning NH or something. |
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And finally, the Robert A. Taft club is far from a "white supremacist" organization. Paul was invited to give a talk on the conservative tradition of non-interventionism (watch the video here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXRpZimItG8). Since when did conservatives take what the Southern Poverty Law Center says as the gospel? Why not just check out their website yourself -- http://www.robertaft.org -- before letting your anti-Paul bias blind you. If speaking at the Robert Taft Club makes one a white supremacist, then you better inform the following people who just participated in a discussion there:
Charles Murray: Dr. Murray is a resident fellow at the American Enterprise Institute. He is the author of several books including Losing Ground, Human Accomplishment, What it Means to be a Libertarian, and the best-seller The Bell Curve: Intelligence and Class Structure in American Life.
Ron Bailey: Mr. Bailey is the science editor for Reason Magazine. He is the author of the new book Liberation Biology: The Moral and Scientific Case for the Biotech Revolution and ECOSCAM: The False Prophets of Ecological Apocalypse.
John Derbyshire: Mr. Derbyshire is a contributing editor at National Review. He writes frequently on the subject of evolution and genetics. He is the author of the books Seeing Calvin Coolidge in a Dream, Prime Obsession, and Unknown Quantity.
Tom Bethell: Mr. Bethell is a senior editor at The American Spectator. He is the author of the book The Politically Incorrect Guide to Science, and The Noblest Triumph: Property and Prosperity Through the Ages. |
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You write: "Now yet another White Nationalist group says Paul is lying to people when he tells them he's had no involvement with such groups."
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Um, actually in the AP article regarding the donation from Don Black, Mr. Black says ""We know that [Paul's] not a white nationalist. He says he isn't and we believe him." So it seems like the only person saying Paul is involved with "white nationalism" is some guy on a message board who just so happens to be a known fabricator and professional attention-seeker. Are we to believe that Pat Buchanan is a white supremacist now too? Does Townhall now rely on libelous claims from anonymous racist message boards for their source-material? Just check out the following from an anti-racist website that an LGF commentator linked to detailing why this guy is not a reputable source (and I can't believe that I have to point out that somebody writing on some racist message board is not a 'reputable source'): http://onepeoplesproject.com/index.php?option=com_content& task=view&id=154&Itemid=27 .
And seeing as how Ron Paul's campaign office just so happens to be in Arlington, the fact that his campaign spent money at a thai restaurant there is far from the "smoking gun" you make it out to be. If an LGF commentator can dig through FEC records to find where the Paul campaign has ordered food from, I'm pretty sure some racist loser could do the same. And are we really to believe this man's story that not only did Paul meet with him for lunch regularly, but that he invited him back to his office to "discuss policy"? Ron Paul, a man self-educated in Austrian economics who has been in office for more than 20 years is going to be talking policy in his Washington office with some loser on a racist message board?
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All candidates take money from all sorts. Look at Hillary and her big money ties to the rap industry. When the MSM was busting Imus's chops for the "nappy ho" comment Obama and Clinton both stuffed their coffers with rap industry money. This money was originally earned by the racist rhymes of the most offensive nature. These donations to the Clinton and Obama camps were also a corporate donation of tens of thousands of dollars and not an individual donation of a paltry 500 dollars. So where's the beef? Is Obama and Clinton being asked to return that tainted money? |
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I doubt any of this turns out to be true.
One has to ask oneself: Why would a group who stood to benefit from a Paul presidency (if he was indeed a white supremacist) out Paul like this, knowing that doing so would destroy his campaign?
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The comments above are typical of Paul supporters;don't tell me the facts, I like my fantasy world. |
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Did the people quoted NOT say the things attributed to them?
Did the eatery NOT make a $300 donation to Ron Paul?
Are there not a few dozen witnesses just in these accounts alone that can verify his attendance?
Did he NOT give a speech for the TAFT group?
Those for questions would all have to be answered in the affirmative in order for anything questioned in the post to be slander... |
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We're not ones lunching with racists...
"A man is known by the company he keeps." |
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