Friday, December 15, 2006
Posted by:
Kevin McCullough
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3:20 AM
New Jersey has become the third state to offer marriage equivalent civil unions without granting the word marriage - to people who choose to engage in homosexual intercourse with. The legislature passed the bills after being told by the state's Supreme Court that they had to.
At least the word is still protected. And it DOES count for something. Besides everybody already knew that any two people who want to can merge assets, grant hospital visitation, even leave inheritance to any one they wish ALREADY!
This coming on the same day when a clergyman who had been invited to give the opening invocation, asked God to 'curse the spirit of homosexuality' that was alive amongst the state's lawmakers.
Former Gov. Dick Codey, who because of New Jersey's incestuous laws - also was able to serve as President of the State Senate boldly announced that the pastor's actions were offensive - and that he would never again be invited back.
The state's population agrees more with the clergyman than they do the former Governor.
But the state's highest court has already judged that the people of the state of New Jersey do not deserve the chance to vote on the important matters of how "families" are formed.
It's a wonder ANYONE in the Garden State is able to awake each morning without some black robed tyrant to tell them how...
Although we live in the beautiful state of Maine now, I'm a proud native daughter of New Jersey.
Thank you, dear God, that cooler, more reasonable thinkers have prevailed there. Thank you, dear God, that families which, for far too long, have been marginalized and ostracized now have the same legal standing as the rest of us.
I am delighted that my 2nd grade granddaughter has two classmates in Rumson, NJ who have same sex parents.
This IS a great country!
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Even if you support the idea of same-sex "marriage," I still can't see how you can accept this method of getting it. I'm always amazed how liberals can just quietly let judges make absurd, anti-democratic activist rulings when those rulings are agreeable to them. You're willing to let the judiciary go nuts as long as it goes nuts in ways you agree. I can realize the danger of this even if it meant results I like. For example, I think most abortions should be banned, but I would not want this done by judicial fiat - rather the democratic process.
I also don't understand what's so terrific about gay families. I'd think they would be the same as regular families in your formulation, so why are you "delighted" about your granddaughter's classmates? Why do you care what orientation their parents are? And why is this such a good thing? |
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I'm delighted that my granddaughter is learning now that loving, devoted, fully functional families come in many different forms. Until she has made these new little friends, her only knowledge of "family" has been very traditional. I'm happy that she is learning how other children grow up.
Regarding the judiciary, I feel that when the legislature is not reacting in a timely fashion to an obvious violation of civil rights, it is then the job of the courts to step in.
I agree with you that none of us seem to mind an activist judiciary when we like the results.
Thanks for your comments presented in such a respectful tone -- that's rare on this site!
Merry Christmas!
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Radlad writes:
" If they thought they were in the right they'ld call it what it is. "Homosexual pride" They don't wanna be reminded it's wrong."
Amazing insightful perception!
Elisabeth writes:
"Dear Seldumonde --
I'm delighted that my granddaughter is learning now that loving, devoted, fully functional families come in many different forms."
And they do, on exceptional occasions, as abandonment, marital dissolution, death of loved ones.
This does not make homosexuals seeking to hijack Marriage, in other words a wink and a nod to the enshrining of perversions, a "good" thing.
Are families more "loving, devoted, fully functional" by your standard because two homosexuals man them?
The suggestion seems to imply that "families" includes, or should include, homosexuals amongst all the other fractured, and wounded "family" forms out there.
Not too long ago that was called coming from a "broken home". People made due without Moms and Dads, because they had to, and by virtue of God's grace, He made helps for "orphans and widows", and the like.
There is nothing expressedly noble, fine or essentially truthful in any thing Elisabeth has said about families here, except her seeming to imply that "families" can, and maybe should, be any old thing, particularly if they are headed by two gays.
I see such assertions, such suggestions, as not only detrimental, and dangerous, as a mindset to adults, but to any connected children.
Sorry "Elisabeth", but the fluffy ideas you seem to put forth are a huge compromise paving the way to Hell with every intention.
They are not based on truth, love, true love, or *real* tolerance, because they will, basically, tolerate anything, as long as it is secular, non Christian, not faith-based and pro 'gay'.
"Until she has made these new little friends, her only knowledge of "family" has been very traditional. I'm happy that she is learning how other children grow up."
And the reason for this person's poo pooing the millennium standard for families is?
To learn how "other children" "grow up" is not such an honorable gesture, if the thing it is meant to teach is virtue in the profane.
This thinking is extremely dangerous.
It is the giving over to the pagan, the undoing of society's mind, and the closing of the heart.
It is closed eyes to the reality of God's presence and His blessed will.
It is the implication of the wise and good, while leading the most vulnerable of us down a deceitful and treacherous, presumed, primrose lane.
It is, in its full effect, the proverbial poisoned apple, with all its ,seeming, harmless and pleasant appeal...
"Regarding the judiciary, I feel that when the legislature is not reacting in a timely fashion to an obvious violation of civil rights, it is then the job of the courts to step in."
WRONG. NO. That is a non truth and a non answer.
Lawlessness should NEVER prevail, because those who want their OWN brand of wicked and compromised "laws" want perversions on *their* time table...
That is a sin, and dishonest in any land where the will of the people prevails and is respected. The very suggestion here is both dishonest by the poster and to the readers.
Is this what is being taught to your grandchild as justice and truth?
In its essence it is a wink and a nod to Evil, and closed eyes and contempt for God's Truth and its beauty.
Simply put, it is the cold hand of the dead...
"I agree with you that none of us seem to mind an activist judiciary when we like the results."
Well, I think that's pretty redundant and obvious from the comments here...
I hope you understand this is not an attack on you personally "Elisabeth", but the ideas you defend and put forth.
If you are going to peddle lies as truth expect that those who love God and His Truth will expose you.
It's nothing personal really. It's just
His natural law in things.
Merry Christmas to you too.
P.S. I too am a lifelong resident of New Jersey.
But I am, by far, NOT "proud" of this wicked thing they have done this week to confer honor to a thing that is a shame and a lie and a counterfeit of God's blessed time tested institution!
Shame on you that you have even spoken as you have here.
It does not say very much for New Jersey, nor for, some, of today's "Grandparents".
Hopefully, you are not really who you claim you are.
Happily, you are in the minority..
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Taking apart Mrs. V's posting is like shooting fish in a barrel....
#1. I'm a happily married (50 years next month), fully functioning Christian female with five children, 7 grandchildren and 2 great-grandchildren and all my own teeth. Sounds pretty boring to me.... I worked my considerable butt off to see to it that my husband and children were highly educated – no one has handed us a thing.
#2. No where in my postings did I imply that hetro marriages are superior or inferior. Obviously, you need to read into my words in order to further your own agenda.
#3. "Lawlessness?" Are you telling me that gay people are now criminals? That's news to me.
#4. The ever popular "activist judges" line. Gee, I don't seem to recall any howls of outrage from the right when activist judges stopped the Florida recount and hand picked the current occupant of the White House for us. I hope you are you horrified by the fact that Samuel Alito has a wildly activist history -- that just happens to be conservative.
#5. “Sin.” It seems to me that my grandchildren are going to have to learn about a lot of sin. It comes in all forms and affects each and every one of us. I’m a sinner and you’re a sinner, too. Gay sin is no different from any other. Yet, you seem to be fixated on gay sin as if it is somehow a little bit worse than all the others.
Sadly, my grandchildren will also learn about the sins of bigotry, false witness, self righteousness – in short, she will have to deal with people who seem to blithely ignore the plank in their own eye while pointing out the fleck of sawdust in the eye of your fellow human being.
PS: Of course your attacks are personal. At least have the spine to acknowledge it. |
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Elisabeth writes:
"Too easy....Taking apart Mrs. V's posting is like shooting fish in a barrel...."
-I don't think so. Your replies didn't really deny or disprove all that I said about your original post here..
"#1. I'm a happily married (50 years next month), fully functioning Christian female with five children, 7 grandchildren and 2 great-grandchildren and all my own teeth. Sounds pretty boring to me.... I worked my considerable butt off to see to it that my husband and children were highly educated – no one has handed us a thing."
-I am not sure what being married, having children, and being a grandparent does to make you an authority on spiritual issues, Elisabeth. Nor what it does to give you an edge in being in the know about right and wrong. -Nothing you said in your original statements was especially enlightening to that end, and playing the grandmother card, or the personal virtue card, adds nothing to the main thoughts you posted on the topics on this board. -Besides, the topic was never about *you*. All of my replies were attacking flawed logic and dangerous reasoning.
"#2. No where in my postings did I imply that hetro marriages are superior or inferior. Obviously, you need to read into my words in order to further your own agenda."
-What you did imply, and infer, for all to see, was that homosexuals were not only a fine option as parents, but ones to be made known as a good and fine preference for anyone to know about, most positively, including small children. This you did quite proudly I might add, and with no shame or regret.
"#3. "Lawlessness?" Are you telling me that gay people are now criminals? That's news to me."
-Now you're just putting words in my mouth Elisabeth. You seem to be able to read well. I made myself full clear. Your original quote stated: "Regarding the judiciary, I feel that when the legislature is not reacting in a timely fashion to an obvious violation of civil rights, it is then the job of the courts to step in."
I said that such an act would be, and has been, lawlessness by the courts. Maybe you ought to calm down and reread..
"#4. The ever popular "activist judges" line. Gee, I don't seem to recall any howls of outrage from the right when activist judges stopped the Florida recount and hand picked the current occupant of the White House for us. I hope you are you horrified by the fact that Samuel Alito has a wildly activist history -- that just happens to be conservative."
-Elisabeth, now you're dealing in lies and assertions. Besides that, you are not sticking with the topic at hand, your imaged fish "taking apart" of my "argument". I have yet to see it..Nothing you've said has taken from my original reply and premise, that your mindset towards these issues is dangerous and not one that God would approve.
"#5. “Sin.” It seems to me that my grandchildren are going to have to learn about a lot of sin. It comes in all forms and affects each and every one of us. I’m a sinner and you’re a sinner, too. Gay sin is no different from any other. Yet, you seem to be fixated on gay sin as if it is somehow a little bit worse than all the others."
-No Elisabeth. Gay sin, when it is acted out, is indeed an abomination in God's sight. The Bible says so. It becomes even more grave when, seemingly, well-intentioned people look to promote such perversions and pinning the word "marriage" to themselves as normal and not an awful evil. A sin that has an end which at its heart brings forth death for all involved, and harms, not just individuals, but whole societies- is quite an eggregious one. -It is, perhaps, a greater sin and shame for someone who seems to wish children well to push it as normal and a fine thing. At the very least, your inability to see this is very sad and wrong..
"Sadly, my grandchildren will also learn about the sins of bigotry, false witness, self righteousness – in short, she will have to deal with people who seem to blithely ignore the plank in their own eye while pointing out the fleck of sawdust in the eye of your fellow human being."
-Well Elisabeth, if you are suggesting I have a "plank" in my eye because I see your mindset as quite a not honest or Godly position to take, then you and I have a different understanding about justice and personal judgements.
-Your quote above is indeed trying to imply a boatload of not true or honest things about *me*, you then top it off with bunches of words trying to make *you* look glowing and on some kind of moral highground yourself..-I don't know *you*, or anyone here, to sit and make such broad judgments about *their* hearts or character by using words like "the sins of bigotry, false witness, self righteousness –" about them.
-I *can* say that you have now taken this to a personal level, and in doing so, simply point more not positive fingers towards yourself.. (Generally what happens when folks get on their soap boxes talking about planks and specs of dust..)As I mentioned above, this is not a dialogue about *you*, but about the error in a way of thinking. -You close by saying this:
"PS: Of course your attacks are personal. At least have the spine to acknowledge it."
-But yet, if anyone rationally looks at my comments above they will not see anything but analysis of comments, words, and ideas. -While your pride may find that offensive, the fact remains that my words were about thoughts and ideas you conveyed as moral and appropriate. -My reply was a simple observation of these ideas and mindsets, to be honest about what they-truly-are.
-I added that it was nothing personal because no one likes to see their words make them look badly. -You may be a very fine individual in many other ways, Elisabeth, non one is arguing that. The same may be said for any homosexual. That, we can agree, is pretty elementary. -You may be all you said, and have very many commendable qualities to boot!
-These are not the things that will hurt your family or society. -It is mindsets and ways of thinking which you have described that will. This way of thinking is not clear, or genuine about the topics at hand, because it implies a Godly good quality about a thing which is inheriently evil. Your words then go on to confer something good on it. But it is tragic that such thinking should have ever been here. -I meant what I said, some of the worst nods to the sinful have come by, supposed, Christians and well-meaning people whose clarity about these particular moral issues has them asleep at the wheel.
-No one is saying we should not love and be kind to all people. When you suggest, however, is that homosexuals seeking to "marry" is a fine and noble thing and one we should be eager for our children to understand, seek out, comprehend.
Your words speak this quite clearly. -The most loving thing we can do in life for those we truly care for is to speak to them the truth in love. This is because love itself rejoices in Truth. We lose this when we are not honest with ourselves about something, and cannot see clear ahead to be honest with others.
-It all starts with God's Truth in His Word, as He is the author of Life, and love and truth. Suggesting that others, or Christians, are "judgeing" because they are paralleling wrong thinkng with His will and Word is not just an unfair reply, it is not an authentic as an argument. Anyone who has a respect for God's, unvarnished, Truth will appreciate this..
-My apologies if the passion or strength behind my words hurt you. There was, and has not been, anything personal about what I said to you, yet you may have, obviously, perceived it as a personal attack
-Maybe my words seemed to make you look "evil" or like a bad lady with ill intent. I meant to come back and add a "ps" about your quite likely being a very fine individual in any other context, but just misguided good intentions. I thought that might add more perspective and clarity.
-In any case, I can't take back all I said. Because children deeply love and respect their parents and grandparents, I know I do and did. So what they say can have Eternal importance, for better or worse. I suppose seeing your words made me truly wonder if you were really a grandmother after all, and what has happened in the world for Grandmothers to come to think such things.
-Peace to you anyway..
-There's nothing more to say.. |
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