Sunday, March 04, 2007
Posted by:
Kevin McCullough
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9:00 AM
Yesterday as we were wrapping up our time in Washington DC before returning to New York, the Lovely Bride and I were trying to catch up with some friends for some coffee at 17th and L street. On the way all she could talk about was the Ann Coulter mess.
These are her words. Not mine:
"I'm someone who just a couple of years ago just thought nearly everything Ann did was fantastic. But what I'm realizing - and it's very unattractive - is that while Ann puts on the sexy dress, has the flowing hair, and tries to accentuate femininity - which is all a good thing... she's really no lady on the inside."
"Peggy Noonan, Barbara Olson, Phyllis Schlafly - none of these women would have been caught dead saying these things. They were all formidable women, towers of strength, and tough as nails - but never ceased to be winsome, smiling... and actual - ladies."
"Such women do exist in the conservative movement today. Next year it would be nice if they gave over the traditional Coulter timeslot to Michelle (Malkin) who truly does carry on the legacy of those other three women pioneers."
Telling...
You keep telling everyone about the "joke". Yeah, it could have been a joke, but perhaps a little too edgy for most Americans. Get it?
You keep telling everyone how she DIDN'T call Edwards a faggot. You point out how she said "If I called . . ." Well, guess what? That type of parsing of words doesn't work. It appears that the VAST majority of Americans see the BS behind that.
Notice how the top three GOP Presidential contenders are distancing themselves from good old Ann.
Of course if this was the first time that Ann had spewed her vitriolic hate, people would give her a pass. When you come out and say how you'd like to see members of the Supreme Court killed, politicians killed, after a while your true pattern of hate begins to show, even to the most ardent supporters.
Lynne, maybe you need to wake up to the real world.
Perhaps if Ann tried to sell you a bridge in Arizona you'd get the idea. Again, maybe not. |
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Now that the tide has turned for Ann and her "loose-cannon" remarks, the Libs need to step up and start denouncing their own demonizers. You know, the ones calling President Bush "bushhitler", the ones who call Vice-President Cheney "Darth Cheney" (and, even worse, wish him dead!), the ones that say people who don't buy the "Global-Warming" BS should be put on trial, the Churchills who call dead 9/11 victims "Little Eichmans", the ones who call dead GIs "suckers" (and stupid, or worthless, or wasted, and...), among so many, many other execrable comments that Libs/left-wing nutcases make as a matter of course for them. Why, if the Libs started now, they might get done by the year 2050, or maybe 2100! Too bad they won't....Hypocrites...
And they say they wish for "cleaner politics"; Hah! |
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To Lynne and Dmh0667,
As you are both aware, there is a tremendous difference between people who are considered columnists and web bloggers.
There are people on all sides of the political spectrum that need to get a grip on reality. Additionally, the anonymity of the Internet allows the real hate cases to come out of the woodwork.
Additionally there are people out there, such as Louis Farrakan who are simply nuts. I have no idea what is political leanings are.
Since you both profess to liberals being in the same boat with Ann on their hatred remarks, could you please give me a few examples.
Ann's remarks that stand out in my mind -
Faggot, gay remarks a couple of times.
Advocating the killing of Supreme Court members and I think John Murtha.
Comments about Chris Dodd.
Comments about the wives of the 9/11 victims.
Comments about a Vietnam amputee and the fact that he was responsible for the US losing Vietnam.
Comments about Timothy McVeigh bombing the NYT rather than the Oklahoma City federal building.
APAC ragheads comment.
APAC comments about killing John Walker so liberals will understand that they can be killed also.
Could you please give me some examples of where a liberal commentator made as many references to killing conservatives and other people? |
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Now...read....that's a good dogjudge!!
Now...go to a antiwar rally, any of them...see the signs?
Now, listen to those people that you designate as your Dear Leaders, you know like Comrade Pelosi, Ted Kennedy, etc....that's a good dogjudge, here's a dogjudge biscuit!
Now, dogjudge...think!
(ooh, I know that hurt for you...)
Now, roll over, and pretend the Netroots, and Huffington Post, the Daily Kos, and the NYT don't exist!
Maybe you shouldn't listen to the dear, looneybin & bankrupt Air America, as well; wouldn't want to surprise yourself into being a conservative, would we? After all, why would the diehard supporters say something that their leadership wouldn't want to hear and weren't thinking themselves? (but had no b*lls to say otherwise)
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He stands with anybody who wishes to destroy or otherwise humiliate the US, so therefore he stands with you! Look behind that group that is gathered around Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton...see any Republicans or Conservatives there? |
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Beyond all of your knocks at me for using the name dogjudge, I still haven't seen any links or anything else connecting liberals to suggesting that we should start killing conservatives.
You see, there's a big difference between saying that Pelosi, Kennedy and others are bigots or whatever and proving it.
From either side, talking about killing your opponent isn't acceptable. Except to the mouth frothing rabid extremists. As we're both aware of, this type of inflammatory rhetoric is just the type of thing that does cause some fringe element to actually DO something.
If you want to talk about how various Democrats or liberals don't profess your values, hey that's great. Saying that you want them killed, is crossing the line.
It isn't good when the liberal yahoos do it on various blogs with the President and Vice-President. But they are just that yahoos.
You and Lynne keep talking about the liberals who are doing these things. I'm just asking for a couple of examples.
BTW, I wouldn't knock these dogjudge types too much. If it wasn't for us, you wouldn't have search and rescue teams at ground zero. |
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Ann has apologized to the gay community for comparing them to Edwards. |
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Nothing better than a classless bigot. |
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Until you have links to your Lib/Left-wing Leadership decrying what was said in THEIR names, AND CROSSES the line by your own admission, how can anything uttered by you be considered a serious statement of any kind? Did we all miss where Hussein, or Billary, or Pelosi, etc. declare that anything people that will or have voted for them have said, shouldn't have been said? No? Then I guess that McCain, Romney, et. al. shouldn't have said anything that Ann Coulter has said. (BTW Doesn't it bother you that you only can point out ONE Conservative commentator as the example you choose to note?) The fact that these folks have responded to Ann and your Great Leaders have never responded as to their Nutroots, Michael Moores, Sheehans and Kossacks says volumes...
Nice try to "fly the Flag", but your micro-factoid just proves that those poor dogs have no idea about the Lefty Idiots holding the leash. |
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You have an interesting way of proving your points.
When you're asked to give examples of liberals who have called for the killing of various politicians multiple times, you respond by asking me for examples of liberals condemning their own for their remarks.
What I find even more interesting is the fact that I've tried to keep this on a reasonable level and you continually use various pejoratives and name calling. Is that supposed to intimidate or marginalize me? What it does show is that rather than discuss issues you can only resort to these sort of tactics.
As for the mini-factoid, I wasn't the one who started with the fifth grade "here dog" sorta of BS.
So you feel that it's proper to try to insult someone you don't even know, or know anything about. Fascinating. |
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Need a new trick, Dogjudge? Your continuing inability to read astounds me, but is entertaining up to a point. Look back through my posts, the first one especially, and when you do...maybe then, you'll have something to say.
Let's make it simple for you, though.
1.) You criticize Conservatives for not standing up when someone on their side of the aisle gets out of line. Several of the Republican Candidates have done so. Problems for you? I'll say, because then...
2.) You can't show where your Great Leaders have done the same vis a vis Bushitler, Darth Cheney, Little Eichmans, etc., so you ignore that, and just drive on. The supporters are merely saying what they believe, and even more so, what their (and your) Great Leaders think, but can't say otherwise. But then again, you believe what your nutroots are saying, and these folks are just "speakin' truth to Power!" Can I get an amen, Dogjudge?
3.) You try to "run up the flag" with some cockammamie notion that Dogjudges somehow should get funding for being so-called First Responders to 9/11, then you get miffed when no one falls on their knees and shouts "Hosanna!!" on your behalf. If you think the lack of appreciation is palpable here, you should try disclosing a Pro-Bush Veteran status on any of the Looney-Left blogs. Watch the reactions, then, and get back to me as to which is worse...
Pathetic! I've better things to do with my time, so just maunderize to your heart's content. At least YOU believe you're right... |
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of Ann. Now, I turn the channel when she comes on. What a waste of a brilliant mind and talent to stoop to spewing venom and bigotry for shock value and book sales. How sad. |
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Ann is hilarious, sharp, and insightful,BUT she can go too far (as I believe she did at CPAC) and become nasty and hurtful. In those instances the hurtful effects rebound against conservatives and push aside their ideas. Kevin's bride and Michelle Malkin have it right. |
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A large group of conservative bloggers is so resembling the MSM and the PC crowd. The lack of diversity of thought on this topic from these bloggers should concern their readers. It is clear there is a clique of conservative bloggers who played follow the leader and quickly worked themselves into a frenzy and now feel compeled to publicly chastise Coulter. One gets the feeling they were waiting for this day and are now elated they can take her behind the woodshed. This is the "rehab" she referred to at the end of her speech. They are dramatically proving the point she made. Coulter will be the first they try to censure - who's next? How long has this been gong on - three days??? Drop it!
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last sentend: "gong" = "going" |
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That movement has to have a bit higher class writers than Ann Coulter. She represents the bottom of the pit. Fortunately there are many fine conservative columnists. But they are drowned out be this shrill, hate filled phoney, who is more interested in selling hate books than propagating ideas with merit. In her latest article here she claims that "There was more energy consumed in the manufacture, construction and maintenance of Leonardo DiCaprio's Malibu home than is needed to light the entire city of Albuquerque, where there are surely several men who can actually act. But he has solar panels to warm his house six degrees on chilly Malibu nights." This is a small point but it is an utterly absurd statement. It is also an obious lie. In the same article she seems to imply that Hitler and Stalin were liberals and that the true motive of environmentalists is to wipe out humanity. This too is a lie. This type of diatribe diminishes any rational discussion of the subject she was writing about..Global Warming, which seems to have her all heated up.
Back in the 60s, William F. Buckley Jr. wrote "Rumbles Left and Right" and "Up From Liberalism" which were reasoned arguments why Liberalism had become a mania. There was none of the hate, advocacy of murder, slick disingenuous play on words that you see in Ann Coulter's work. There were many other fine conservative writers and they created the movement in our time. It is unfortunate that slinging a phrase is more important than telling the truth, and if this becomes the voice of the movement, then it will die. |
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Your abuse of dogjudge was that of an ignorant school yard bully. We don't need mean spirited ditto head morons like you in the movement either. |
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Ann Coulter has two kinds of fans: those that read her and those that read what others say about her. The latter are naive to think that her critics play fair. They don't. They distort and attack out of context. Ann Coulter is brilliant and beautiful. I'm a big fan. Her art is biting satire, which is not to everyone's taste. She is managing her "brand" well. She gets far more attention and reaction than all of the ladies your wife mentioned.
Why would that be? Hmmm. |
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http://www.nationalcenter.org/Z030507=ann-coulter-at-cpac.html
Well, it appears that not everyone feels Ann's comments are appropriate.
From my perspective, this will cause more consternation for Ann than anything. Loss of speaking fees.
When sponsors for an event start threatening to pull their support, that's when you get people's attention.
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Well, I went to the MRC site. Good site written by a conservative. No problem with that, simply stating a fact.
I went to their search engine and entered the word "murder". I didn't find any large number of references that could be attributed to one person.
I didn't even realize that Bill Maher had made the comments that he had about the Vice-President until someone mentioned them on this site. First I would agree that his comment was inappropriate. Secondly, since I hadn't heard squat about the comment, I would have to agree that in this case the media was giving Maher a pass as opposed to Ann.
At the same time, I ask you to consider this perspective.
How many times in the past has Bill Maher advocate the killing of some politician? How many times has Ann Coulter advocated the killing of various politicians, and liberals in general?
Given their respective records, who would you expect to get a more outrageous remark from?
Even Ann's "apology" left a lot to be desired. I was wrong would have gone a lot further than her apology to gays for putting them in a class with Edwards. |
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Isaiah Washington called the actor, T.R. Knight a "faggot" because Knight (who IS gay) is obnoxious on the Grey's Anatomy set in that he does not prepare for his lines and he is repeatedly late. As a result, the gay rights lobby descended on Washington and forced him to attend "gay awareness rehab." Ann's comment had to do with the fact that people can no longer say certain words without the PC police attacking them. Kind of like when Michael Richardson used the "n word" and got attacked (forget the fact that black people use it amongst themselves and no PC police get on their case!)Unfortunately she tied the comment into John Edwards and then all hell broke lose (just like with Michael Richards.)
Lynne,
Your first post said it perfectly! |
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"mean spirited ditto head morons like you in the movement either."
I feel honored by your attempts to silence me, as the individual from whom you stole your handle from was thought of in the same vein by the British, those late occupiers of these United States! Your namesake freed this nation, not by cool-headed milksoppery like what you wrote (and I'm oh-so-sure you've converted Dogjudge to your views, right?), but by sharp words and little qualms about giving his enemies what-for. Change the handle, you're not even remotely befitting of that name. |
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To ~KMC, with all due respect, from the comments you made above, I am assuming your Wife made them, and that you are both Christians(?)..
In this instance, your Wife sounds like a snob..
I know you bristle at "anyone" "besmirching her character", even folks who haven't... (And I would be one of them...who was accused of doing so, but hadn't..), but this needs to be said..
And I am still not hurting anyone, because, unfortunately, when you talk about a family member's opinions this way, as a public figure, you make their words, and views, open prey..
While I think it's safe to assume you are both Evangelical Christians, the two of you ought to know better than to walk, and talk, like spiritual snobs. Sadly, some Christians do...
Honestly, about Ann Coulter, who has probably not been fortunate enough to have a redemptive soul-changing experience as the two of you have, who are you two to talk?
I can understand your saying Ms. Coulter was wrong, if she were a professing born-again Christian. But we are talking about a Conservative individual, and you know there can be a slightly different standard there.
What you find rude, and offensive, as children of God, may not be very clear to her.
Yet, I would think by your both having a new-birth experience, you would see the difference between yourselves, and someone like her. This lady is not saved. She has not had that change in her soul, to effect her words...
And rather than judge, and condemn, Miss Coulter for the experience, take a good hard long look at yourselves.
As for Mrs. McCullough's lauding of Mrs. Malkin now on the Conservative "throne", how long till Mrs. Malkin makes an offense?
I think the point is clear here Mr. and Mrs. KMC...
No one is perfect, except for the Lord...
While we Christians hold a higher standard, does this standard apply to both of you?
And in your field, amongst so many Christians, and so many people, I am surprised that the two of you would not know that the best of all.
Now you can dislike me, and think I am not on "your side", and do like good faction lovers do, or you can consider the source a sister in the Lord who is seeing a thing you shouldn't do.
Hope you both see clear.
I leave you with God’s Word and my prayers for you both, in the nicest sense. Yeah, believe it or not..We are still friends to you, yours, your cause, your show..
Proverbs 27:6
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Sorry Kevin, if my previous post said some words that might have offended about Mrs. KMC. I do not know her. She may be a great person who is truly not a "snob". I am sure she well may be..all the nice things you often say..
But I believe, as Christians, we are held to a much higher standard, and that includes all of us, your family, mine, you, and me. While I can understand your Wife's disappointment in Ms. Coulter, and I can understand her feeling offended, I think it is quite another thing, altogether, to make value judgments about her, particularly, her character.
I won't be unfair to Mrs. KMC, because I don't know her. But I won't deny, your comment from her seemed to communicate a person who, while well-meaning, may have, for a moment, forgotten their precious station. (You and your Mrs., not Ann C.)
We are more than keepers of good manners, and civility, as children of God. We are more than, as heirs of His, inheriting the Holy Spirit's ways. We are touched to be reminded to be forgiving, grace-filled, and merciful people. Not just because it's the right thing, or looks good to others, but because its God's will.
So again, I come back this week to clarify some comments, because I don't mean any offense to Mrs. KMC, or you.
It's just so important we remember where and Who all of our decency and restraint, and ability to act in right ways, comes from. These are gifts from God, and only by His grace.
We are all so imperfect. But you and Mrs. KMC are doing SUCH an important job with the issues you both fight for each day. And I know you've both suffered for it, and had awful blows, just for lifting up what is right and good.
I hope you will forgive my slip, Mr. and Mrs. ~KMC, if I said your Mrs. was being snobby, and toke it off as my imperfection, did not mean to be rude..I suppose it was hard to be patient with
something that, to be, should have been evident, for mature Christians like you.
We are all held to a higher standard in Christ, that's all..While it is right to hold up the differences between Right and Wrong, we make an awful proud mistake if we, unfairly, hold others to a standard, and way of being, they have never had a chance to live, outside of Him.
I hope you will see my points as well meaning, and accept my apology.
I think you both know sometimes we all say things that are not exactly what, or how, we want to say them.
Is not Ms. Coulter, like all the other Conservative ladies, imperfect too?
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