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Saturday, May 17, 2008
Posted by: Kevin McCullough at 12:09 PM
The Kind of Man Every Man Should Be: Taking a Stand for True Masculinity
"DONE!"

(UPDATE: Read the comment section on this post - which has been bumped from yesterday... This type of anger is exactly WHY this book HAD to be written...)

The editors, typesetters are now hard at work but my publisher is pleased because I only missed the May 12 deadline by about 36 hours.

I have not spoken of this book publicly yet for a variety of reasons, but let me just say liberals, feminists, and those that stand opposed to the traditional ideas of family are going to HATE this book.

Much of it biographical, I aim to take on the modern feminism that seeks to shut men up, make them stand in the corner, and speak only when spoken too.

For my critics who frequently crticize me - even if they do lack any imagination whatsoever - of only writing frequently about homosexual issues because I must be a closeted gay personally, will finally have the curtain drawn back on why I do.

And ladies... I can't tell you how many women have begged me to reserve them a copy when this is finally in stores. If you care about finding the kind of man you've always dreamed of - but didn't exactly know what he should be made of... YOU will not only read this book - but pass it around to all your friends...

Anyway... thanks for all the notes while the blog and column were on hiatus. I'm back, I'm grateful, and I'm more fired up than I've been in a good long while...


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Jamie writes: Wednesday, May, 14, 2008 3:02 PM
I can't wait
I can't wait to read this book. Do you know when it will hit the shelves?
Baby Karl writes: Wednesday, May, 14, 2008 3:15 PM
Should be...
September 1
My Pet Goat writes: Thursday, May, 15, 2008 8:56 AM
Can't wait, either....
... I was given a copy of "Musclehead Revolution" a year or so back. I can't wait to read more of KMC's humor and science fiction.

Did that paragon of morality, "Dr." Laura, write the preface for this little ditty as well? That first one was a gem.
Baby Karl writes: Friday, May, 16, 2008 12:36 PM
Allen - you have to be the angriest...
Person - or at least close to it - I've ever seen.

Just curb the potty mouth, you can use the big boy voice and still get your point across.

It also violates the TownHall guidelines...

It's just too bad you have such a misinformed view of who I am, and if you read the book - you might be fairly well surprised to find nearly all of your assumptions 100% wrong.

You want to know the rationale for why I cover Homosexual issues in my column/blog - I state it publicly in the book - first time ever.

You think women will be "enslaved" by my view of manhood? Then find out why single women in particular are coming up to me by the dozens begging to know when they can get this book in their own hands.

Come on Allen, just admit it - you woke up cranky this morning and you really won't judge the book until you've at least heard what it has to say...

I wouldn't assume anything less of you at least...
Baby Karl writes: Friday, May, 16, 2008 12:38 PM
And no GOAT - Mr. Baldwin
Will be the cover quote...
Tano writes: Friday, May, 16, 2008 1:10 PM
I read your other book
Kevin,
I read your other book "The Musclehead Revolution" and it is great. Thank you for standing up for the Truth. I look forward to this one.
Tano writes: Friday, May, 16, 2008 1:12 PM
one more question
What does "And no GOAT - Mr. Baldwin" mean?
Ex Pat(-rick) in Geneva writes: Friday, May, 16, 2008 1:20 PM
Bran!
I made the mistake of buying his first book. What a waste of perfectly good paper, my money and time. But, I kept it in my bathroom and it kept me regular for weeks.
Ex Pat(-rick) in Geneva writes: Friday, May, 16, 2008 1:27 PM
PS to TANO.
"The Pet Goat" is the name of the 2nd grade book Bush picked up and read in stunned silence for over 10 minutes after being told of the 9/11 attacks by Andrew Card. It was the defining moment of his entire Presidency.

I think it's a brilliant nickname to use on such a conservative web site. My congratulations to whoever you are!
My Pet Goat writes: Friday, May, 16, 2008 3:58 PM
"Partner"?
Oh, no, Allen! Don't tell us you are a happy, fully functioning gay man! How did Townhall let you slip by?

(PS: Congrats on yesterday's victory. It's a great day for the few of us true Republicans left -- not the Neo-Con freaks how have hijacked our party. As a true conservative, I can find absolutely no Consitutional reason to deny you and your partner the same rights as every other citizen.)

Baby Karl writes: Friday, May, 16, 2008 4:59 PM
Allen...
I find it so ironic that you refuse to even hear what the book has to say before you are able to somehow know everything about it, me, the universe, etc...

Allen, it is deception to say that telling someone a house on fire is safe to live in. If you really care about someone - you tell them the truth. And that's ALL this book does - is speak the truth about men and life today.

I don't question your affection for the person you engage with sexually. If you didn't have a degree of friendliness about the arrangement you are correct - it could not last...

But that has little to do with the fact that God still fundamentally created us, and designed us with purpose.

What that design is, and what that defined purpose is - is one of the biggest keys to understanding life.

Allen - you ARE an angry person. You rage with bitterness against those who do point out the truthfully maleficent side effects of unhealthy lifestyle choices.

(cont'd)
Baby Karl writes: Friday, May, 16, 2008 5:00 PM
Allen (part duex)
All one needs to do is read any number of your postings across TownHall's many domains to see that this is so.

It is YOU sir that is compensating one's Machismo factor. Which is why I WANT EVERYBODY that reads this post to mark down the date of when Allen wrote the things here that he has - and remember this dialog when they get to Chapter 2 of the book.

Allen, as a gay man you have every right to feel threatened by the message of a book that speaks simple truth about gender differences. You don't NEED to feel threatened, but you have the right to feel that way if you want. It's your choice, just like it's your choice to continue to harbor anger and guilt against those you perceive are "after" you.

I'm an easy target because I have the nerve to put what I think in print. But it is the viewpoint that I argue for that is the majority, you know it - and thus your anger with me.

You can call me a coward, or a closeted gay, you can use any four letter word verbally you wish to think of (just don't post them here or TH will do what they normally do with those who do). None of that will change the fact that as a man there are big gaps of yourself that you know aren't right, and that you wish were.

Allen, one of the things you will find out in this book is that there are several areas that as I researched them I felt very inconsistent in myself.

As a born again Christian the writing of this book was an exercise in conviction. Areas I need to improve in. And I am blatantly, brutally, honest about it in the book...

But that doesn't change the fact that the premise of the book is based in reality: "The modern feminist movement has destroyed the picture of what a real man looks like."

Nor does it change the formula of how we begin to create real men in our society again.

Baby Karl writes: Friday, May, 16, 2008 5:01 PM
Allen (three)
You and I have gone rounds and rounds on here. I'm sure we will go a good deal more. But you honestly don't want to purposefully put yourself in a position of being proven wrong - ignorantly (without knowledge). And that is why I encourage to read it before you draw assumptions about it.

Because if people do save this post and compare it to chapter two of the text - they will see Allen that your attitude, anger, demeanor even as a poster here at TownHall - could have been predicted. And I DID - before you even knew the book was written...

Scary huh?
Allen writes: Friday, May, 16, 2008 6:39 PM
Yes, you are scary
very scary, Kevin.

I have no doubt at all that chapter two of your manifesto is a complete manipulation that plays off the "anger" of us gay people. I'm sure you are convinced that it has everything to do with our natural born sexuality and nothing to do with the torment we have and continue to endure by people like you.

I also encourage folks to save these posts for comparison. Your manipulation is extroidinarily transparent.

Of course I'm angry. You help kill kids. Worth a pout or two, don't you think?

As far as my "arrangment" with my "sexual partner" - again, your manipulation is astounding. My love of my partner is just as loving, meaningfull, fullfilling and NORMAL as any love you will ever feel in your entire lifetime, Kevin. Our sexual life is only one aspect of our loving relationship. For the love of God, man - stop obsessing over how gay men have sex - I certainly don't care what you and your "sexual partner" do behind closed doors.

I don't propose that you are a closeted homosexual. I simply propose that you are a weak little man with a rabid hatred for gay people and an illogical fear of strong minded women.

And if you feel that i come across as angry or hostile I really don't care - I too am being brutally honest. I do not like or repect you, sir. You help kill gay teenagers.

Scary, huh.
Baby Karl writes: Friday, May, 16, 2008 9:44 PM
SO Allen... if someone was in a burning
house. And the entire structure was going to collapse on them at any moment.

But they REALLY, really, really believed that they had the right to be in the house...

What would a person who cared about them do?

To follow YOUR argument - it would be to let them burn.

I sir - do not find that loving. That even if they beat my face in struggling with me, it would be the proper thing to first tell them the house was burning, secondly if at all possible then it would be the loving thing to encourage them OUT of the house.

Allen - it is you who manipulates the truth.

And the only reason I emphasize behavior/inclination/desires - is because that is the ONLY definable way one identifies as a homosexual.

By choice of action... nothing more.

Baby Karl writes: Friday, May, 16, 2008 9:45 PM
Allen - burning (cont'd)
There are people who struggle with the temptation to engage in pornography, pre-marital sex, adultery, and any other number of sexual habits. You wouldn't know they participated in those habits unless they told you they did. It is no different with homosexuality. You have a sexual craving, desire, longing, inclination... whatever you wish to call it. You then take action on that longing - be it in flirting with someone of the same gender, going on a "date" with them, or engaging in bedroom activities...

The point being - it is not a DNA determined issue. It IS an issue of choice, temptation, and the decision to engage or not engage the matter based on your *feelings*.

And it is for that very reason why people who participate in homosexual behavior - ARE NOT an equivalent comparison to BLACKS for example.

Every day for the rest of their life - a Black person will have black skin, and will experience the prejudice, and even bigotry based on that pre-determined configuration.

But a man who has sex with a woman one night, might the next night have sex with a man. And vice versa...

1000s of people who once practiced homosexuality - no longer do. How is that even possible if they are "born that way."

The very fact that they do not seems to indicate a personal degree of control.

Something Allen, you are not honestly admitting in your seething rage and anger.

I welcome your challenge for folks to compare chapter two of the new book (which isn't even about homosexuality) with the profile of what you've written here today...

You have proved my point repeatedly and I thank you for doing so!

All the best!
knight_of_baawa writes: Saturday, May, 17, 2008 12:37 AM
At least the crackpot is consistent
The crackpot lied about Mass Effect, and the crackpot lied about Allan having a "potty mouth".

How about accepting that no one believes a word you say or write, crackpot? Stop being so angry, and get over your balding man's syndrome.

I do have a suggestion for your next column: you can make up a bunch of lies about GTA IV and get reamed again. That will be fun.
knight_of_baawa writes: Saturday, May, 17, 2008 12:44 AM
Here's something for the crackpot
to think about:

There is no burning building. It's all a myth. It's not real. You've been force-fed that garbage for so long that you think it's true. But it's not true. And then you dare to scream at and berate people for not believing your hallucination.

How childish.

Rational, well-adjusted adults don't believe in the boogeyman, crackpot. That's something for children to be scared of. Why not try being an adult for a change.
Baby Karl writes: Saturday, May, 17, 2008 1:23 AM
No Knight...
"Crackpot didn't lie about Mass Effect..."

Crackpot passed on bad information about Mass Effect, and later apologized.

To have lied would have been to KNOW the information was faulty and use it anyway.

There is a difference.

As to your other point - how do you explain thousands of people choosing to no longer engage in a certain behavior...

How do you further explain that thousands of people have chosen to no longer engage in certain behavior - AND engage in life affirming behavior?

I'm not screaming - merely asking...
My Pet Goat writes: Saturday, May, 17, 2008 7:18 AM
Allen --
You sound like a very reasonable, likeable person. You're wasting your time on KMC.

If he ever had to conceed even one of your points, no matter how minor, the first domino would fall. It would destroy him if he had to ever admit he might even be wrong. He more to be pitied than censured.

Go take your partner out to dinner instead and have a great evening and a terrific, long, happy and healthy life together. That's the best revenge on people like KMC.
Baby Karl writes: Saturday, May, 17, 2008 9:28 AM
Allen...
No one questions the fondness you have for your partner.

No one is attacking YOUR sincerity... or you at all for that matter.

But you came on to this thread and attacked the idea of me knowing anything about genuine masculinity.

In nearly every argument you have made on nearly every post you have posted here - I predicted in advance in Chapter 2 of the book. (Not about you specifically...) But you ARE proving the point.

My viewpoint is not glib, and it is not ignorant. It is based on up close involvement with close family members who are neck deep in the lifestyle.

And the reason you call me glib, manipulative, and the rest of the names you do - is because you don't have science to refute the increasing numbers of people who leave homosexuality all together.

Allen, the vast majority - according to reputable studies on the matter - of homosexual males, were initiated at one point in time by another male. The number according to the most recent study I saw was over 9 out 10.

There is no gene, cell, biological differential that is unique among homosexuals...

But let's take your argument for a moment - let's say that even though there's no science to it we'll concede the "born that way" position.

That still changes nothing in terms of God's message, desires, mandates for us...

Baby Karl writes: Saturday, May, 17, 2008 9:28 AM
Allen... (cont'd)
There are many men for example who are "born" with the desire to have sex with multiple partners outside of marriage, or before marriage... These men have desires, inclinations, urges, and they definitely have biology on their side.

But it would be immoral for them to act on those desires. It would be wrong to engage that behavior. It would be dangerous for those the "loved" to do so.

Scripture talks about guarding ourselves against the desires of our lusts. In one place it refers to "warring" against them.

One more example... If a pregnant woman drinks during pregnancy - she can pass on to her child a dependency upon alcohol. The child will crave it their whole life.

Does that mean they should indulge it?

Allen, the reason I wrote the book, is because there has been a big con passed on to the men of our generation. It has been a big lie. It is a lie that has destroyed men's abilities to be strong men. But when the lie is exposed, the scenario changes.

This book isn't about engaging in homosexuality or not. But how we view ourselves as men WILL impact our view of sexuality as a whole.

Allen - you are the victim, so am I - but we have the ability to see a different tomorrow than today...

Like I said - you will have no NEED to be offended by the message of the book - though you may reserve the right to be.

My encouragement would be that you choose NOT to be until you've read it for yourself...

All the best...
knight_of_baawa writes: Saturday, May, 17, 2008 9:56 AM
Yes crackpot: YOU LIED
You didn't "pass along bad information" or however you're trying to spin it. You. Lied.

Bald-facedly. Unashamedly. Without remorse. You. Lied.

And that you're trying to spin it is all the more hilarious. Seriously: have you no shame whatsoever? Are you truly that despicable that you won't own up to lying about a game because you just wanted more readers and more hits to your column? You knew the information was faulty--you had to have. If you didn't, then you admit to not doing any research whatsoever. So you're screwed either way, crackpot.

As to your question: I explain it by saying that there are a lot of people finally waking up to the truth that there is no god and affirming the efficacy of their own lives. They have thrown off the mental shackles of religion which bound them (nice play there on my part, since the root of religion means "to bind").
Tano writes: Saturday, May, 17, 2008 9:57 AM
Allen
Allen,
I am sure your are sincere--you are just sincerely wrong.
Baby Karl writes: Saturday, May, 17, 2008 11:54 AM
Knight - no lying...
I admit that I was misinformed, and retracted the column based on the bad information. I RETRACTED it - by my request - and I did so because the information was faulty. I admitted all of this...

I don't mind you having some fantasies, about how you're so much more superior than me. Whatever keeps you entertained, glad I can provide some musing moments for you.

We all do make mistakes (even you Knight), and in the 10 years of writing a weekly column I have made two errors in points of substance. Thats nearly 500 columns and two retractions.

No one gets it right 100% of the time. And I owned up to it when I didn't.

But I thank you for stopping by, always interesting to hear from you...

knight_of_baawa writes: Saturday, May, 17, 2008 12:28 PM
Yes, you lied, crackpot
You weren't misinformed---stop trying to spin your lies! You knew exactly what was going on and you wanted something juicy for your column. Well you got it-and you got beaten down for it.

I laugh at your fantasy that you're superior to me. It's beyond hilarious. The fact that you--a subliterate zombie drone with all the integrity of Billary--think that you're in any way superior to me has to be the jape of all time. I take that back: that you think you're in any way superior to me and that you've only made 2 errors in points of substance in your columns has to be the jape of all time. And the only reason you owned up to your blatant lies about Mass Effect was the absolute legions of gamers who destroyed your lies from one end of the internet to the other.

But thanks for giving me some laughs. That's all you're good for.

Now run along and find something to rage about.
Baby Karl writes: Saturday, May, 17, 2008 7:43 PM
Actually Knight - I was misinformed...
As were three other news sources... would you like to know what they were?

And did you know this Knight... I just discovered this gem this week in DC. Did you know that the federal guidelines for Games are not presently enforced?

Only this week was there legislation put into the Congressional record (to be debated in the early fall) that would make it a *possible* $5000 fine for a store to sell an "M" for mature game or an "AO" or Adults Only game to someone under the age of 17?

Did you know that little tidbit?

So everything the gamers said - wasn't true either. Especially when they were claiming "strict enforcement" and how the "stores would NEVER sell something to a minor that they shouldn't."

And by the way - I think you are wee bit dyslexic because I didn't claim to be superior to YOU. I said that YOU claimed to be superior to me... which you might be - I don't know - I don't know you. I only know that God says we're equal - no one being superior to anyone else.

Feel free to slander my integrity though - many more people than you know much more about me than you hope to know... THEY are the ones I worry about. Not some dude who resents God so much that he makes it his personal mission to attempt eradicate Him.

My only two retractions in 10 years had NOTHING to do with being superior to anyone... the point of that comment had to do with the fact that I'm fallible - NOT SUPERIOR. I think you might be dyslexic because somehow you got exactly 180 degree difference on what I said - than what I said.

Glad to make you laugh. And since YOU are the one who has to come to MY blog... I think what you meant to say was that YOU would be running along.

See you next time!
knight_of_baawa writes: Saturday, May, 17, 2008 8:10 PM
Actually crackpot: you lied
You weren't misinformed. The real information was out there, so you had to have lied. The alternative is that you had a pre-conceived angle and only sought out so-called "sources" (and I use that term loosely) which agreed with your angle. Which is it to be, crackpot?

Did you know that there shouldn't be any federal guidelines for games? It's true. Only a socialist would want federal guidelines for games, anyway. Only someone who thinks It Takes A Village To Raise A Child would even dare consider using government in that manner. Hillary.

btw: you did claim to be superior to me. You have no reading comprehension ability, since you clearly projected your belief onto me. Further: two retractions doesn't mean only two errors. It only means two times when you were so beaten down by the hue and cry that you had to apologize profusely in order to salvage whatever modicum of a "good" reputation you might still have had.

So feel free to lie to me some more, crackpot. Makes me laugh at you. And feel free to lie about me, too. I don't hate your magic space pixie, as I can't hate that which doesn't exist. You, OTOH, hate reality so much that you believe in a magic space pixie in order to escape from the world that has you pegged as despicable scum.

Now run along and rage against people having fun.
Baby Karl writes: Saturday, May, 17, 2008 8:24 PM
Again - you're on my page...
So you should be the one running along...

My point on the guidelines btw was that the Gamers' said repeatedly how it was impossible for minors to obtain obscene material. From your comment am I to understand you WANT obscene material in the hands of minors? Stuff like Grand Theft Auto 4 that just came out? In the hands of 6,8,10 year old kids hands?

The point was the Gamers also perpetrated a rationale for giving the kids stuff that legally was determined to be in appropriate for them. Which wasn't true. Kids - the same week I wrote the original column could have walked in off the street and purchased it - without any verification of their age.

Disagreeing with whether we should have such age checks IS a legitimate discussion but it is not the crux of what you keep trying to say.

Further you just have no proof. You have no idea from an objective point of view what I did know or didn't know about the reliability of the information I was writing from. (As did at least three other print outlets and one television channel.)

Can't be a lie if I didn't KNOW the information was faulty.

See... we all make mistakes. Even you do sometime Knight. Honestly - you do. I know I have.

The fact that you can't even entertain a serious discussion of God's existence does say much though.

To resort to having to call Him names?

Catch ya later!
MaineConservative writes: Saturday, May, 17, 2008 8:48 PM
Wow, what anger!
Allen, Knight, & Goat,

Man you guys nned to take a chill pill. Kevin has his point of view, expresses it and has every right to do so. He's convinced he is right.

You also have a right to a differing viewpoint, and the right to express it as well. You don't have to buy or read the book, That's what is so great about this country.

You don't have to buy or read the book, but you judging it without reading seems pretty hollow to me.

When you resort, however to accusing him of lying and (the real topper) helping to kill teen-angers, those are extremely serious and over the top charges which just make you guys look petty and angrry. Can you supply any proof of such over the top accusations? You decribed yourself as perfectly happy but then describe your red hot rage. Which is it, happy, angry, or just confused?
knight_of_baawa writes: Saturday, May, 17, 2008 10:09 PM
Wow, what anger
MaineConservative, you need to take a chill pill. You clearly have difficulties with people espousing a different viewpoint to yours.

And if you had read the crackpot's blatant lies about Mass Effect, you too would say that he's a liar. All you have to do is google search "Kevin McCullough Mass Effect" and you can find his column of lies about Mass Effect.
knight_of_baawa writes: Saturday, May, 17, 2008 10:17 PM
Again: you're a liar, crackpot
And you still need to be running along and raging against people living their own lives, rather than blinding following your dictates, Hillary.

You had no point on the guidelines, since the gamers repeatedly told you that, much like tobacco, minors can get those games. You just keep lying, crackpot. Are you ever honest? Do you even know what the truth is, crackpot? Or have you so wrapped yourself in your cocoon of lies that you have no idea what the truth looks like anymore? Is that it? Is that why you couldn't tell that the information was "faulty"? Or is it because you wanted more hits, so you knew if you lied that you'd get a ton of responses, just like the Penny Arcade cartoon had.

If GTA IV gets in the hands of a 6 year-old, I can guarantee you though that no store sold it to the 6 year-old: it was sold to a parent or older relative. Why? Because stores voluntarily check ages anyway. I know that you, like Hillary, think that It Takes A Village, but you don't get to impose your aesthetics upon everyone. Doesn't work like that, crackpot. Dictators need not apply.

And why would I entertain a serious discussion about a magic space pixie, crackpot? It's for kids. It's not a serious topic. It's just like santa claus: not serious. I don't care if you think it is; it's not. So go be outraged that I don't take your puerile myth seriously; I don't care.
MaineConservative writes: Saturday, May, 17, 2008 10:36 PM
Baawaaaaaaa
So, why again are you on Kevin's blog? If I was a happy person but there was somewhere that brought out red hot rage in me, I believe I would take a pass on going there.

I did not say I agreed with Kevin. All I said is he has a right to his opinion as you have a right to yours. Your defensiveness and anger just makes you look like like a raving lunatic...that's all.
knight_of_baawa writes: Saturday, May, 17, 2008 11:55 PM
MaaaaaaaineConservative
I'm here to remind the crackpot that he can't escape from reality.

I think it's fun to put the crackpot in his place. And your defensiveness and anger makes you look like a raving lunatic (wheeeeeeeeeeeee! I can play that game too!)
Ryan01 writes: Sunday, May, 18, 2008 9:28 PM
KMC
"Anyway... thanks for all the notes while the blog and column were on hiatus."

Judging that other than this one thread there has been little comment since the last month I stopped by you could have stayed on hiatus. Anyway, it's good to see an actual thread here.

Next time I work the polls in the library I'll have to go to the children's section and see if I can find your book. It should be with the "Weekly Reader" and Hannity's books.
MaineConservative writes: Monday, May, 19, 2008 10:42 AM
Knight Bawaa
You read rage and defensiveness in my comments? Interesting.

I was only curious why someone would want to frequent a place which stirs up so much anger and rage in them. That's all, really Just curiosity.

I have no problem if you sleep with Allen, Frank, My Pet Goat, or even My Pet Goat's goat, as long it's in your bedroom and not in my face.
My Pet Goat writes: Monday, May, 19, 2008 11:15 AM
Here's why, Maine!
It's the ultimate guilty pleasure! Tweeking the nose of someone who is so obviously having fun with it. No one takes this guy seriously, but a few times a week, I enjoy shutting him up with facts.

Retirements has such benefits.
My Pet Goat writes: Monday, May, 19, 2008 11:24 AM
And one more thing....
KMC needs us! Without detractors, what would he do? Continue to just slap himself on the back?

All of these talking heads need a foil. Reagan needed Sam Donaldson so badly he even authored the preface to Donaldson's autobiography.

Kevin would be LOST without us!
Baby Karl writes: Monday, May, 19, 2008 12:19 PM
Hmmm...
Goat what "facts" of yours have ever shut me (or anyone else for that matter) up?

Jus' askin'
knight_of_baawa writes: Monday, May, 19, 2008 6:40 PM
MaineConservative
"You read rage and defensiveness in my comments? Interesting."

Just as interesting as you reading rage and defensiveness into mine. Neat how that works out, isn't it?


"I was only curious why someone would want to frequent a place which stirs up so much anger and rage in them."

See? There you go again: reading anger and rage where there is none.
knight_of_baawa writes: Monday, May, 19, 2008 6:42 PM
Facts for the crackpot
FACT: murdering muslims in Iraq won't bring your friends back.

FACT: believing that not sticking your nose where it doesn't belong is actually wrong is called "being a busybody that no one likes".

Those have shut you up before.
Pasadena Phil writes: Monday, May, 19, 2008 6:57 PM
MaineConservative
You've just stumbled into yet another of the resident crackpot trolls. They can be like flypaper. Occupational hazard.
MaineConservative writes: Monday, May, 19, 2008 7:10 PM
Pasadena
I know, I know.

I just couldn't resist this one.

I've had all the fun from this group as I'm going to get.
Pasadena Phil writes: Monday, May, 19, 2008 7:14 PM
MaineConservative
I just got attacked by a new one myself on Medved's new post: "you and whose army". At least he/she is terse and to the point.
Allen writes: Monday, May, 19, 2008 9:33 PM
Fury, Outrage, Sadness
Three words that perfectly describe the likes of KMC when they are presented with a happy gay man who succinctly shreds their homophobia.

I suppose I appreciate the time KMC takes to respond to my posts - but all the gentle manipulation in the world wioll never stop him from being what he is - a hater. A man afraid of difference. A man who fears what he does not understand.

It's so typical of a homophobe to refute the fact that I was born a gay man by saying that there is no "scientific eveidence to support it" - but then to quickly cover hios tracks by stating "and even if their was - it's not part of Gods plan" -then goes on to compare my relationship to an adulterer or polygamist.

Yeah, Kev - that sure opens the door for a sincere and heartfelt debate on the subject.

You will always be wrong on this issue - and I am rather certain, unless one of your children ends up being gay and by some miracle you finally get a clue on this issue, that you will always be entirely glib and continue to ridicule and marginali8ze gay people as a career tactic - all behind the guise of religious piety, of course.

Sadness indeed.

Speaking of God - if he is indeed our creator, he created me as a gay man. According to you, this was his mistake?

I guess I'll take it up with him when the time comes - in the meantime, I don't need some half rate columnist telling me what kind of man should be or what kind of life I should live - offense intended.
Allen writes: Monday, May, 19, 2008 9:39 PM
And it is perfectly reasonable
To call Kevin a hater and point out the fact that he has helped drive gay teens to commit suicide.

Perfectly reasonable.

And no, Kevin - gay men cannot become straight, any more thatn straight men can become gay. It just doesn't happen and every single unbiased study on the subject will tell you that they are simply living a lie. This is just simple fact.

Sure, you expect people to fall in line and either live a lie or not fullfill their lifes destiny to find someone they truly love and be as happy as they can truly be because gay sex and lesbians disgust you.

Can you imagine if there was a national movement that told you not to act on your natural urge to love your wife?

Of course not, which is why you are glib.
Baby Karl writes: Tuesday, May, 20, 2008 4:40 PM
Allen, I believe you mean...
Every single biased study... biased toward the pre-determined outcome that homosexual behavior is healthy, normal, and should be encouraged.

And for what its worth - there is no such thing as an unbiased study. Every study looks at its data through a set of prejudiced viewpoints.

And I'm not glib - I'm heartbroken. The close relatives I deal with on this issue on - have wrecked their families lives. It has been utter disaster because it was based on selfishness.

The idea of being a real man - has always been the idea of sacrificing one's life for the good of those they love.

In word, deed, etc. - self-sacrifice NOT self-indulgence is the ultimate measure of manhood.

Tell me how the modern radicals do so... cause I just don't see it.

I see a lot of indulgence. I see a lot of selfish desires whetted and satisfied. I see Bishop Robinson in the Episcopal church "demand to be himself" as a more important good than loving his wife, and nurturing his daughters several years back.

If you want to talk about a profile in courage - such a stand is not it.

The most self-sacrificial love Robinson could have expressed would be to live up to his commitment - to his wife, who he swore an oath before God to love, and to his daughters.

Getting his groove on with anonymous lover X should have been very far down the list - if one the list at all in terms of courage.
knight_of_baawa writes: Tuesday, May, 20, 2008 6:50 PM
Sacrifice is distasteful to all
rational beings.

It's abhorrent, disgusting, and self-destructive.

No wonder the crackpot likes the idea.
Baby Karl writes: Wednesday, May, 21, 2008 10:05 AM
Knight - are you arguing...
That putting one's own desires aside for the good of the team, family, the one you love - is not admirable?

Are you saying that the heroic soldier who throws himself over a grenade and saves the lives of everyone in his unit - is not heroic?

How do you even define love - except for the idea that a person seeks the best for the other person first and foremost?

Those ideas are disgusting?

Really?
MaineConservative writes: Wednesday, May, 21, 2008 10:33 AM
I know I shouldn't...but
I have to respond to that idiotic post by knight. I had to read it several times to see if it was supposed to be facitious or if someone really is that self centered and self absorbed.

I'm also amused at Allen's reference to ever single "unbiased" report that supports his view. Obviously any report that disproves his view will therefore be biased. I also have personallt known gay men who have become straight, and straight men who have become gay - probably biased, though, of course.

I have been married to the same, beautiful lady for the past 31 year and have not once in my life had sexual relationship with anyone but here. Have I had temptations, and had natural urges to stray? Absolutely, and if I followed the advise of some on this blog, I would just follow those urges wherever they would lead. But honoring the commitment I have made to her brings not feelings of resentment and frustration, but happiness and joy. I sacrifice all for my marriage and my children, but don't look at as a sacrifice because of the joys that it brings.
knight_of_baawa writes: Wednesday, May, 21, 2008 7:35 PM
I am arguing that
Denying the self by saying that sacrifice is admirable is horrific.

You have no idea what rational self-esteem is, crackpot. You have no idea what heroism is. You have no idea what sacrifice actually is. And I certainly know that you don't know what the term "supererogatory" means.

I do.

Maybe you should stick to writing about American Idol; you certainly know absolutely nothing about philosophy. You don't even understand the nature of love, which is based in a rational selfishness. If it was based on sacrifice, it would be some trivial fling.

So again: stick to writing about American Idol, and leave the philosophy discussion to people who have an IQ greater than a single digit.

MaineConservative writes: Wednesday, May, 21, 2008 9:10 PM
knight
You, my friend, are beyond idiotic.
knight_of_baawa writes: Wednesday, May, 21, 2008 9:14 PM
MaineConservative
You, bucko, are beyond idiotic.

Hint: if you don't try, I don't try. I refuse to waste time on someone who puts no effort into posting.
Pasadena Phil writes: Wednesday, May, 21, 2008 9:22 PM
Hey! Is this a private fight?
Or can anyone join in? (Works better in an Irish pub).
MaineConservative writes: Wednesday, May, 21, 2008 9:28 PM
I'm actually trying to be helpful
You really could use some professional help. Please consider seeing someone trained to help someone like you. Get references, don't just pick someone out of the phonebook.

You can receive help.
MaineConservative writes: Wednesday, May, 21, 2008 9:32 PM
Pasadena Phil
Maybe we could get together and do some kind of an intervention for this poor man. He needs help.
Pasadena Phil writes: Wednesday, May, 21, 2008 9:45 PM
MaineConservative
I'm on it! We have him pinned in already because I figure he is somewhere between LA and Maine. That narrows it down quite a bit.
knight_of_baawa writes: Thursday, May, 22, 2008 8:49 AM
I'm actually trying to be helpful
You really could use some professional help, MaineConservative. Please consider seeing someone trained to help someone like you. Get references, don't just pick someone out of the phonebook.

You can receive help.

Remember: you didn't try, so I'm not going to try. I'll just throw your stupidity back at you until you get tired of it.
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