Tuesday, March 04, 2008
Posted by:
Kevin McCullough
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11:22 AM
 In response to the post I put up last night concerning Alec Baldwin's implication that his younger brother is a "hater" of homosexuals, I noted that I felt this was a stretch at minimum, a misquote, something out of context etc...
Two responses caught me a bit unawares. When the Lovely Bride read the story, her immediate reaction was, "I think you're giving Alec too much of a pass. PinkNews quoted him directly, and unless they made it up he said what he said."
Ok, so I agreed to disagree.
But then came Allen's response here on the blog: Anyone who takes favorable company with the likes of you, Kevin, is a hater. As I said in my response to your latest anti-gay column - I find it ironic that you are adamantly opposed to assisted suicide, as you have assisted in a number of gay teen suicides in your career as a meanspirited homophobe. This is irrefutable fact. You have helped cause gay teenagers to kill themselves. That is the definition of a hater. Of course, since you aren't really a "man", you won't have the courage to respond and my comment will probably be removed - but the next time you look at your children, please think about the parent's of a gay teen you helped drive to suicide with your hatred - and pass that message on to "Billy" the next time he joins Alec for one of his Neices dance recitals.
I stopped caring a long time ago about the emotion of someone's response to what I write or say... but the substance I care about very much. It's obvious that Allen is angry, hostile to anyone who dare to think differently than him. It's also ironic that every time an angry homosexual attempts to insult me they do so on the basis that I must be a closeted gay, or in some other way "less" than a real man. It IS a tell-tale sign of how they view manhood, and homosexuality themselves. I mean if you feel so great about the stuff you're engaging in - then how could it be an insult to call someone else that? Ironic... don't you think? The point however is - while I do raise the issue of marriage, and its need for legal protection in America today - I have a big heart for those who are trapped in homosexuality. Sexual malfunction, or "sin" (if you're a person of the scriptures) is highly addictive and extremely dangerous - adultery destroys families, pornography destroys marriages, and homosexuality often times destroys the person - mentally, emotionally, and physically. So in an attempt to continue the dialogue I took my best shot. Allen - so much hate...
Who are you so angry at? You know its not even logical to argue that telling someone who really, really, really - deep down in their heart (they might even think they were born that way) - wants to play with fire, to not do so - is in some way the fault of the person doing the warning, if they then set fire to their house and burn it down. Allen why do non-religious, very scientific studies demonstrate that more than 80% of homosexual males admit to having been molested, touched inappropriately, or indoctrinated into homosexual behavior BEFORE choosing on their own to go act on it? I've contacts presently with at least a dozen men who have been at one time or are now active homosexuals - and its all twelve that assert molestation began the activity in their own life. Biologically speaking the body argues against male intercourse, isn't it possible that the brain does too, and the emotions? Isn't it possible that young men (who you claim are committing suicide by words of others) are actually dealing with the torment of their own thinking knowing that something doesn't add up? Wouldn't it be a good thing for Psychologists to again begin to treat symptoms of abuse, molestation, and other types of emotional pain that cause people to be in such a state where they do exchange the natural for the unnatural? I do agree with you Allen, homosexual youth - males particularly - are committing suicide at a rate far higher than other youth their age. But it has nothing to do with people who are saying, "that's dangerous, let's talk about why you feel those things, and let's see if there is a moral plan for your life, who you are, and why you're here." Do we let young toddlers grab hot pans off the stove? Do we let children play in the street? Do we let teens stay out all night with no accountability? Yeah - there are parents who do all those things, but it doesn't mean that the parents who don't - are bad parents. In fact the opposite is in fact THE truth.
a pretty reliable sign that you are struggling with tendencies in that regard. Chances are good that you are close to that line, although that rule does not apply across the board.
Those of us who are secure in our sexuality could give a rip as to what Ted and Fred do in bed. |
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You don't care about Ted and Fred at all...
Whether they live or die doesn't matter to you, just so long as you get to you pursue your own interests.
But if you do care about someone... well things are different. |
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For proving the point of my post... |
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I have begun to skip his posts on any thread because he is always condescending, hateful, and his posts never add anything to the conversation.
When I saw that Kevin was responding to Allen, I nearly cringed as I figured that would only make him post more. He seems to thrive on negative attention. After reading it though, I can see why he responded in the way he did.
Why do the pro-homosexual lifestyle people always want to scream hatred and homophobe at those who disagree with them? Have they learned that it is effective in shutting people up?
Allen's comments to Kevin were so over the top that I had to shake my head. The hatred and rage on the part of Allen is palpable in his writing. |
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The hatred and loathing that is thrown at gay people starts before a young person is even aware of their sexuality, in fact they might even participate in the slander of gay people. Then when puberty hits and they realize that they are gay, that everything they have been taught about gay people now applies to them. They have nowhere to turn to sometimes, and they can't turn to the people they used to be around, the self loathing that is institutionalized manifests itself occasionally as suicide. If a gay person is strong enough, and they accept their sexuality they still have to deal with external forces that are against them, like 15 year old Lawrence King in California who was shot in the head. |
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Allen wrote:
"You have helped cause gay teenagers to kill themselves. That is the definition of a hater."
Allen's posts, in reply to this author, seem like classic co-dependant replies which blame others for the acting-out-party's lack of sobriety, and leave the one being blamed little choice (but to be the unwitting party responsible for these accusations and things..)
The same patterns are there..when it comes to those who present themselves in this way.
Anger, lack of self control, frustration, and the accompanying tendancy to lie -about oneself and others-and shift the blame for any faults, flaws or bad behavior on third parties, like Mr. McCullough..
Always, the bad behavior, (in this case homosexual acts and the often connected suicidal tendancies), is blamed on either Christians, Conservatives, or those speaking from such a perspective, because they have become the socially convenient ones to scapegoat.
Those advocating reform for the 'gay' are often made into objects of hate, or into mere objects alone by being called names which are dishonest in nature, and mislabel the biblical perspective.
I can agree that Mr. McCullough can have a tendancy to speak unfairly, and in extreme black and white about some-and has sometimes -thereby-come to hurtful, unfair, and fast, less-than-compassionate judgements about individuals, and people.
But, for the most part, he is right on when it comes to speaking to this topic, and providing information about Biblical standards, right-vs-wrong and doing things God's way.
Pray for Allen to have God's peace, deliverannce and clarity. And that he and those like him will embrace truth.
Pray that Mr. McCullough comes to a wider understanding of truth and with more compassion. So he does not sacrifice his message because others may not trust, or are offended by the messenger. |
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I believe everybody should be treated with respect; however, that does not mean that "anything goes." I do not support gay marriage, but that does not mean I am a hater, and I resent being painted as one by those who cannot accept civil disagreement.
Those who preach hatred for homosexuals and who pass that hatred on to their children are reprehensible. Those who falsely accuse people who will not fall in line with the pro-gay agenda of hatred are no less reprehensible. |
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I have been a frequent critic of yours, and I have publicly berated you concerning your obsessive tendency to write WRT gay, lesbian and trans people. I truly don't understand your fascination/revulsion or whatever it is that seemingly compels you to write about this topic. I don't care to write about it in my blog, since I think that military news is far more interesting then my rather mundane life as a transgendered woman, who is still married and raising a son. I am really rather boring.
All the same, I have never really accused you of falsely hiding a gay inclination, nor would I ever wish to do so. I have been amused at some comments that poked fun at you in this regard, but I may well have been wrong to do so. I apologize, Sir. Similarly, I denounced some despicable public attacks made against your wife about a year ago here at TH. I would be sorely tempted to physical violence if similar statements were made about my spouse, and though I consider you a foe in many regards, I will not tolerate or tacitly condone any such attacks on your family.
Respectfully,
AnneMarie AKA celticdragon |
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In writing about this topic, is that one of my relatives who I love most - has destroyed their life in nearly every respect imaginable.
This deep loss grieves me, drives me, motivates me to (as I see it) speak the truth about choices, behavior, and sometimes the consequences we end up seeing from them.
I once wrote a lengthy post articulating this motivation so that readers would know, I've since just figured no matter what my motivation - depraved, fallen people will say depraved, fallen things... so attempting to explain becomes fruitless.
Nevertheless - because I DO BELIEVE in the God I write about frequently, because I KNOW His word to be true, I know that if I care about the people around me - and ultimately everyone else - then one of the most important - albeit somber and not much fun - responsibilities is to tell the truth.
Point people's thinking to it, and let the chips fall where they may.
I appreciated your defense of my bride a year ago - I actually remember it!
I also appreciate the tone and thoughtfulness of your comments here. |
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Someday all those who insist that Gays choose to be Gay will have a Gay child, or their children will have a Gay child. Then they will be blamed for inappropriately touching or foundling them. Then they will hate them and kill them the way they kill. What could be win-win, they turn into a loss. "Gay people, keep your spirits up, as God created you in God's image for God's reason". Live the great life God has given you. And in the event you encounter someone like Kevin with their judgements, the most powerful prayer for them is: "Let them sow what they reap, tenfold", and put it into God's hands.If they sow love, compassion, acceptance ...etc. they will be BLESSED! Steve |
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KMc: "Beastie... that's simply because... You don't care about Ted and Fred at all...
Whether they live or die doesn't matter to you, just so long as you get to you pursue your own interests.
But if you do care about someone... well things are different. ------------------------ We just have different concepts of freedom, Kev. To the best of my knowledge, God didn't give me the right to tell others what to do. Paul put it this way: "All things are permissible, but not all things are beneficial."
I might counsel a young girl to not undergo an abortion (I actually have), and offer to help her out (I have), but I don't see where it is my right, either legally or morally, to tell her that she has to keep the child. Same with the gay girl -- I don't understand her feelings well enough to even begin to counsel her.
I prefer to lead by example, and abjure the use of force wherever possible, as government "is a fearful master."
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KMc: "Celtic-Dragon... my main motivation In writing about this topic, is that one of my relatives who I love most - has destroyed their life in nearly every respect imaginable." ------------------------ My experience is radically different. A kid from the 'hood was gay from the get-go, and everyone knew it. I have had numerous gay friends, and they were some of the best friends you could ever want to have -- unlike Evangelical Christians, who would stab you in the back as soon as look at you. So many have gone on to disastrous lives, I have lost count.
I would say that friends shouldn't let friends become Evangelical Christians, based on my experiences.
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Thank you for your considerate response. I am unhappy to learn of your relatives' unfortunate experience. I pray that he or she will somehow recover. In truth, I am often mystified at some of the extreme and bizarre examples of debauchery and licentiousness that one sometimes sees in the GLBT community. I have never believed that sexual orientation or gender identity can somehow become an excuse for the utter discarding of all societal mores or norms. My own responsibilities as a spouse and a parent didn't end when I "came out". My wife is not particularly happy with everything that came of this, but we still love each other, and we take our marriage vows seriously. I still get down on the floor and play with my son (the Wizkids "Pirates" constructable ship games are a blast! My son starts giggling when his Kraken sea monster is eating one of my ships-of-the-line while Jack Sparrow and the Black Pearl are carting off all the treasure. :D )
I would agree with you that individual responsibility, and an awareness of what God actually wants for us in our lives are essential to living some manner of a fulfilled life. I may vehemently differ with you WRT the accuracy, relevancy and interpretation of revealed Scripture. I most certainly disagree with you when it comes to the sensational aspect of many of your columns, and I think that your conclusions are suspect to the highest degree. Yet, there are some things in which we may share common ground, and that, at least, is a basis to correspond with you.
Respectfully
AnneMarie |
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CD: "In truth, I am often mystified at some of the extreme and bizarre examples of debauchery and licentiousness that one sometimes sees in the GLBT community." ----------------------- The straight community -- think Republicans like Vitter -- can be pretty weird about sex, too. My attitude is, to each their own. |
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Well, if all justice were paid, fairness shown, and appreciations expressed, this blog would be even more popular, and kind deeds and well-wishers would get their due..
As it stands, it can be challenging enough for some who post here to post-over time-without being inadvertently, drawn into situations where their very integrity is constantly questioned, and their person maligned. Some must defend and redefend themselves to half truths and lies about things which should not be thought, or brought up amongst relative strangers-that others have little to so with.
These diversions draw people away, and make a claim advocating "Truth" seem weak, ineffectual, at the very least, unfair. And call into question a quest which-though seemingly well-meaning-can sometimes falte,r when it comes to honesty, and the facts about people and "The Truth".
These causes won't work as they ought to so long as men play God and compromise His way by saying "truth" that isn't, and not using the full Truth in love, hence playing an by an uneven hand and a faulty standard.
Those who do good deeds that go unnoticed will be rewarded by Him who still sees.
This is the One whose standard of love and truth is permanent, not biased- fair, not waivering-and more inclined to kinder to those who seek the favor of God, as opposed to the popular opinions of man.
In the end, and in between, readers need to spit out the pits, and take in the Truth-tracing it back to the Bible and God's voice and standard.
Men may fail..
1 Cor 13 shares we now see in a mirror dimly. No one is God to know all truth about anyone. True Christians seek to express that unbiased standard, which will not wound you. It is the voice of God and God alone.
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"Pet Goat" it took me a while to get it, but I almost fell off my chair laughing when I did!
I think you're right: anyone who spends this much time on something so unimportant must have some big issues. |
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anonimoi: "Men may fail.."
but Jesus ALWAYS fails.
There are so many other more important things to worry about. Homosexuality only makes my radar screen when religious extremists go crazy about it. |
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Because a lot of people tell them that they're evil and sinners for being gay.
It's got nothing to do with "biology" (especially when there are many other species with homosexual members). It's got nothing to do with "emotions telling them" that it's wrong. It's about hate-filled bigots screaming at them and telling them how dirty they are. |
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But do not attempt to manipulate me or anyone else by claiming to try and have a "dialogue" on the subject. You are not interested in the lives of homosexuals. You are disgusted by them and the way they engage in sexual activity - so much so that it has driven you to an almost feverish obsession.
My response clearly made you uncomfortable, as it should have. You have helped facilitate the suicides of young teenagers. Gay people cannot change their sexuality. This is a lie. Gay teenagers don't need your proclamations of morality, your false information about their psychology, lies about a “molestation” factor, nor do they need to be "protected" from their human nature.
They need love, strong guidance, and acceptance.
Your mean-spirited vitriol is an affront to this, and I for one will never respect a man who makes a career out of telling people they are abnormal because you are disgusted by their bedroom practices. You ridicule gay people, particularly lesbians, on a regular basis.
I doubt very much that you have ever spent one second of your life attending a counseling session with young gay teenagers or providing comfort to the parents of those who sadly took their lives because they were continued targets of bigotry.
Your hatred and ignorance makes you less of a man, Kevin. It has nothing to do with your sexual orientation. Again, your attempts at manipulation are meager at best.
I have been in a monogamous, committed relationship for over 14 years, and my love for my partner is just as deep, just as strong, and just as important as any you will ever know in your lifetime.
So if you're wondering who I am angry at, take a good hard look in the mirror. You have helped inflict misery on people, and as long as I have a voice I will do everything I can to undermine your attempts to marginalize gay people and facilitate the deaths of gay youth. |
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It is you that has manipulated the truth, hidden the facts, and tell the bigget lie...
What IS sexuality?
The engaging in sexual behavior. Heterosexual behavior consists of a man sexually engaging a female. Homosexual behavior is same gender on gender.
Desires, inclinations, proclivities, thoughts, temptations - are not exclusive to homosexuality.
Everyone, every single person, on earth has to battle these within the moral limits of what God established.
One man, one woman, LIFETIME commitment.
So the man who uses porn, but never has sex with another person, is as immoral as the adulterer. Likewise, the person who has desires - even homosexual cravings for certain sexual acts - but abstains from those acts - is NOT acting immorally. Substitute adultery, pre-marital sex, any and every other form of sexual combination and the same would be true.
We are more than the sum of our desires, inclinations, proclivities, and longings Allen.
And not such desires SHOULD be encouraged - in fact many more desires in ALL of our lives should be told "No" rather than yes.
Just because a two year old WANTS to grab the pot of boiling hot water off the stove - doesn't mean you let them.
Same holds true of one's sexual appetite. Scripture has defined it very, very, narrowly - for our GOOD.
And ALL men and women should struggle to keep it defined to the limits that scripture sets up - for our very best, well being, and good.
After all - God made us - we're not some descendants from some ape with no conscience. We were made to know Him, to understand the difference of what pleases Him and benefits us (what is good), and what is not. |
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Remember when marriage was one man and one woman OF THE SAME COLOR?
Remember that?
Oh, don't tell me that you think there were no laws preventing inter-racial marriage. You're not that stupid to think it was illegal for people to marry outside of their "race", are you?
Remember how it was immoral for blacks and whites to marry? Remember how it was said that god forbade it?
Remember that?
And remember how it just begs the question to invoke some entity which has not been shown to exist, i.e. god?
And remember how saying that something is bad because it's unnatural means that anyone who wears glasses is immoral, because wearing glasses is unnatural?
C'mon crackpot--you can do better than that, can't you? |
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Thank you for a complete non-response stripped directly from the pages of "Homophobia for Dummies"...
Seriously, telling a 38 year old man in a monogomous, LIFETIME commitment that my love is WRONG and that what I am doing is immorral? Do you actually expect me to just turn off my desire to love another man like a switch and join you in prayer??
That's just...creepy.
You can hide behind religion all you want, but it's a fallacy - no one with real Christian values carries around such hatred.
And again, you prove my point. You are not concerned with the lives of gay people - you are concerned with - OBSESSED with - how we engage in sexual activity.
The fact is, Kevin - you are disgusted by gay people (hence your latest blog ridiculing a gay teenager for being too effeminate) you don't care that gay teens continue to kill themselves at much higher rates than anyone else and you have no desire to engage in any type of "dialogue". You simply want people to adhere to your "belief" system and change their behavior to suit "your" needs.
That's not diologue, Kevin - so stop lying. Stop pretending to care about the "plight" of gay people with your stupid "child touching the stove" analogy and just own up to the fact that you do not like us.
You're weak attempts at manipulation are blatantly transparent. |
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He is passionate.
Of course Townhall's number one poster (gunnyg) and personal blogger can be reached @
libsmustdie@gmail.com
now THAT'S angry! |
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