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David Harsanyi :: Townhall.com Columnist
Welcome to the 'Hope' Economy
by David Harsanyi
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After being asked when the public should begin judging the success of the nearly $800 billion stimulus plan, White House press secretary Robert Gibbs answered, "I think we should begin to judge it now."

Let's take his advice.

The administration warned that if we failed to support a stimulus package, unemployment would hit a dire 9 percent by 2010. With the stimulus, unemployment, it claimed, would stay in the 8 percent range.

This week, the Labor Department announced that the jobless rate jumped to 9.5 percent, higher than it's been anytime since August 1983.

It's not as if the administration was close. As The New York Times notes: "The difference between the situation that the Obama advisers predicted and the one that has come to pass is about 2.5 million jobs. It's as if every worker in the city of Los Angeles received an unexpected layoff notice."

Don't get too dejected, though. We still have an economic plan with a heaping dose of hope. Surely, you'll feel better when the president begins doling out his two-pronged faith-based explanation -- and if we're lucky, he'll do it at a "town hall" meeting with approximately 100 of his closest friends.

First, you always should assume things could have been worse.

This leap of faith involves buying the "save-and-created-jobs" myth the president likes to peddle. And if you're lucky enough to be working on some state-run boondoggle awash in freshly printed money, smile. As for the rest of America, we once again learn that government spending rarely spurs wider economic prosperity.

But let's, for argument's sake, make believe that the stimulus plan has saved or created 150,000 jobs.

By the end of June, $53 billion in stimulus funding had been spent on weatherizing projects, bridges for rodents and checks for 10,000 formerly living Americans. (This administration doesn't only create jobs; it creates life.) That puts the cost of each job saved at about $354,000, or exactly the sort of efficiency you expect from D.C.

The "things-could-have-been-worse" argument is nothing new, and neither is the second line of defense: Blame capitalism.

So let's also pretend, for the moment, that an era of widespread deregulation spurred a global recession. What exactly has Obama done to mitigate it?

Instead of exerting his extraordinary political capital to bolster American business, the president was busy targeting the investor class; instead of easing the burden on the middle class, Obama radically increased spending and debt; instead of encouraging market innovation, Washington has bolstered the status quo by bailing out antiquated, poorly run industries and crowding out small businesses.

Obama now urges Americans to be patient on the stimulus package. Yet at the same time, the president exhibits a decisive lack of patience as he sprints forward with generational tax increases, in both cap and trade policy and a trillion-dollar-plus health care "reform."

Not surprisingly, many polls illustrate an increasing skepticism regarding the stimulus package and a growing distrust of Washington's unparalleled meddling in the economy. According to a June Rasmussen poll, a plurality of Americans now want government stimulus spending to be canceled.

This rising unease did not stop White House counselor David Axelrod from recently declaring that a second stimulus might be needed.

Needed to do what, one wonders? "Save and create" another 150,000 imaginary jobs?

One day, we will emerge from recession; we always do. And on that day, Obama almost certainly will take credit.

But one wonders: When will the glorious "new era of responsibility" ever actually kick in?

After all, as of right now, judging solely from the administration's very own promises and timeline, we are left with nothing to show for an irresponsible spending binge.

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Government grows while mid class suffers

Spending by the US government has grown this year by 19%... FY 2009 year-to-date compared with same period of FY 2008.

Revenues of the US government have declined 18% comparing the same periods.

Meanwhile, millions of middle class workers have lost their jobs.

What in the world do the Democrats think they are doing? There will be nothing left of the middle class because of their wreckless spending.

Gibbs makes an fool of himself
But given the material he has to work with, his job is hopeless. How can you be a respected spokesperson for a pathological liar.

The only "Hope" in this economy
is Barry's hope that it will work.

It hasn't. It won't.

Those who are ignorant of history are doomed to repeat it. Sounds like Barry didn't learn much in history class.

DG asks ...
..."what are the demos trying to do?" Isn't it obvious? They are actively attempting to destroy the middle class in an effort to push the country into a Chvaez type of socialism. Obama for life, the new king and ruler, or mesiah or god, as Newsweek sees things.

BTW, Todd, Obama has clearly stated what his goals are and were from the beginning. Read his book, listen to his campaign speeches, it's all right there for everyone to admire. He wants socialism. Always has, always will. You can't fairly accuse him of lying.

THE GREAT DEPRESSOR
Irony of ironies, the man who would be the next FDR saving the US economy from the "sins" and "excesses" of capitalism is evolving into a new Herbert Hoover turning a recession into the next Great Depression.

Click my name and read my piece: Barack Obama: The Great Depressor

We Are Toast
We will start to see some conflict between the rank and file Dems and the leadership. Pelosi and her socialist friends will start butting heads with the politicians that see their seats in danger from a worsening economy. They may put the brakes on programs that are designed to spend a lot of money but that we know will do nothing to spur economic revival.

The problem is that even if they don't expand the government more than it is already the damage done by the expansion of the money supply is coming like a freight train with us stuck on the crossing. Inflation is the great destroyer and they have put in place a huge amount of new money that guarantees inflation is coming. This will make the Carter years look like the good old days.

Where is the conservative voice that will be able to bring the Republican Party to it's senses? The evidence so far is that the Republicans have no sense.

July 4, 2009 Remember American Soldiers

History will record that the American Soldier and those American Soldiers who have fallen, rank in the greatest humans who have ever lived on this planet.

The American Soldier has set free millions in bondage and defended the freedom of America with willingness of the ultimate sacrifice.

The Fallen American Soldier is someone who walked the hero's path. Someone who walked into the heart of darkness for Duty, Honor and Country.

The American Soldier waits for the day that they have lived for and trained for their entire life - to defend until death, their families and America, its citizens and freedom.

The American soldier is the fiercest Warrior ever in history, because their mission is the defense of family, neighbors, America and freedom.

The families of the American Soldier, while their faces beamed with pride, their hearts were filled with anxiety and tears as they watched their American Soldier leave to defend them and this Great Country.

Families and neighbors look with horror as the military vehicle stops in front of the home of the American Soldier, to inform them of the ultimate sacrifice of their hero.

No honor can be too great; every tribute is too small for the Fallen American Soldier and their families.

God Bless the American Soldier and their families!

God have mercy on every American Soldier in our History who has made the ultimate Sacrifice in defense of this 'Great Nation' and setting Humans free all over the World.

This is all intentional
Everything Obama is doing serves to crush the middle clash, fortify "poor" (most of who are poor because of lifestyle choices) behaviors, and increase the power of gov't. I'm thinking of Peron's Argentina.

Most the poor I work with haven't given a single thought to changing anything; always, ALWAYS more babies, lots of vacations, leased Lexuses, etc... I'm supposed to be running a school based summer program for "the truly needy", all of whom are taking vacations that include foreign destinations, Dollywood, Disney World, and cruises. This has been going on for years.

The economy can and will only get worse.

All hail the Thug Dictator Traitor
Obama envies those that have such control over their people, he wants to be a dictator, he wants total control, he wants that power. Make no mistake about it, this man is dangerous. Look at what he is doing to this country. He has tripled the Bush deficits in less than 6 months and he wonders why the economic recovery is so slow? Yet he childishly keeps blaming Bush, nothing is ever his (Obamas) fault. The only explanation for this behavior is that either he is intent on destroying this country or he is extremely stupid and clueless about what he is doing. I doubt it is the latter.

Always come out of rcession?
There are always countries that are perpetually poor due to a myriad of reasons - generally government imcompetence and corruption. Take Cuba for example. When is it going to come out of its "recession"? So, if the Obama administration and the Pelosi/Reid Congress are doing everything they can to expand government and contract the wealth creation sector, just how are we going to come out of this recession? Unless you mean we will devolve into a depression. I just don't see us coming out of this with them in charge of the federal government. Now, will Obama get the blame for this or will he get the "credit" like FDR did?

The Greatest Depression

To continue the discussion of what is coming up in America, many of you have already become aware of Gerald Celente, and for those who have not, you should. Celente's forecast for 2009 is pretty dim - read that dismal and foreboding - but if we are prepared, we can survive "The Greatest Depression." The video on the link below is 9 minutes long - watch it, and learn from it.

Be prepared, my friends - there appear to be very tough times ahead if Celente is accurate in this forecast also (he has a pretty good forecast record in years past).

http://www.trendsresearch.com/forecast.html

Word on the street is that people are already reigning in their spending habits, and that the tea parties are just the beginning of a tax rebellion.

Plan for tough times and if the forecasts are wrong - you end up being a winner. And that's a good thing.

Nice!
BAM!! That's David hitting the nail on the head with a very large hammer.

A very good article for July 4th! Right on target, thanks, David.

There is a Solution
Dear Politicians,
Creating jobs with money borrowed from the Chinese doesn't increase the Wealth of a Nation.

Making "things" better and cheaper than anyone in the world is the way to create wealth.

The Capitalist system of the 20th century failed to produce a competitive manufacturing sector. We lost the contest using that model.

There is a better way. The new Capitalist model, can increase productivity so US workers can out manufacture the world again.

The new Capitalism can rapidly turn American ingenuity into real wealth, and return high paying jobs to the US for a fraction of the cost of the wasted stimulus money.

Come on Obama. We need REAL change not old, discredited Socialism. We need REAL creative Capitalism.

All you need to know...
to predict Obama's behavior is that he is a sociopathic, narcissistic, world government- loving socialist/communist. Ask yourself: Is there any act of this president which was not entirely predictable from that profile?

The good news is that this type of morally bankrupt individual always overreaches for power and misjudges his potential to maintain the ruse of enlightened leadership.

Obama is in descent. His policy agenda is stalling out, he's displaying notable incompetence in foreign affairs (N Korea, Iran, Honduras), his SCOTUS nominee is being exposed as a racist, and the filth of Chicago thuggery (IG firing, backroom arm-twisting, ACORN fraud, DOJ dismissal of charges against Black Panther polling place intimidation...) is becoming increasingly visible. It is no coincidence that the WH press corps lap dog is displaying signs of morphing into at least a yapping terrier--they smell blood. Hell, even Colin Powell has said a disparaging thing or two in the last day.

The timing is propitious for an all out political assault on the Obama machine. We are very close to being able to take them down. Communicate and network with family, friends and associates to press the Second Revolution forward.

America, the Near Death Experience can be transformative.

Todd
There's an uncanny resemblance between Gibbs and "Baghdad Bob" of Iraq war fame ("I assure you, the Americans are nowhere near Baghdad").

You know your job sucks when Helen Thomas starts raking you over the coals.

RJBJr FL Jul 4, 2009 - 8:50 AM EST

But first we need people in government who work for us and for our constitutional government - not for themselves and for their Marxist ideology.

Let's build a list of those in government we can identify who are actually working for a better America - a constitutionally lawful and prosperous America.

We can identify them most easily by asking every one in government if they support the limitations of the Constitution in every action they perform on our behalf, and if they will re-swear their oath of allegiance to America and to the support and preservation of the U.S. Constitution.

The good guys are those responding immediately that they do and that they will. The bad guys will give you an evasive answer – usually something about the outmoded Constitution.

We already know that Obama doesn’t support the Constitution and views it as a handicap to implementing his Marxist agenda. This, added to the fact that he is a usurper to the office of President, means he has to go. He’s expendable because he doesn’t work for us. He represents the enemies of America.

I've saved or created 6 million jobs!
You can thank me for the actions I've taken (and actions I haven't taken that I could have) to create or save 6 million jobs. OK, to be fair, I didn't really create any jobs, but I saved them.

Obama's actions are puny in comparison. And I'd say his actions have actually caused jobs to either be lost to overseas competitors or move offshore. The government jobs he's created have come at the expense of taxpayers and where productive members of society have less incentive to work.


Depression-Recovery
If you are Obama or one of his cronies, first you blame the "failed policies of the past 8 years" - or more overtly G.W.Bush. Then you blame capitalism, then lack of regulations caused by the two above. - Remember Pres. Reagan's characterization of recession (my neighbor looses his job), depression (I loose my job), recovery (you, Mr. President, loose your job)? We shall not see recovery until the present administration and the Democrat super majority call the shots in order to wreck the US economy. One has to ask the motives: a) incompetence, b) incompetence plus arrogance, c) treason.

WELCOME TO THE BANANA REPUBLIC
HAPPY BANANA REPUBLIC DEPENDENCE DAY

.....RUSH LIMBAUGH, always on the cutting edge of societal evolution, has posited that a majority of Americans now prefer dependence on Government rather than independence and freedom ...ergo the election of Obama ...

.....THIS IS THE NEW NATIONAL ANTHEM OF THE BANANA REPUBLIC OF AMERICA...

.....BANANA BOAT SONG - HARRY BELAFONTE

Day-o, Day-ay-ay-o
Daylight come and me wan' go home
Day, me say day, me say day, me say day
Me say day, me say day-ay-ay-o
Daylight come and me wan' go home
Work all night on a drink a' rum
Daylight come and me wan' go home
Stack banana till the mornin' come
Daylight come and me wan' go home
Come, Mister tally man, tally me banana
Daylight come and me wan' go home
Come, Mister tally man, tally me banana
Daylight come and me wan' go home
It's six foot, seven foot, eight foot BUNCH!
Daylight come and me wan' go home
Six foot, seven foot, eight foot BUNCH!
Daylight come and me wan' go home
Day, me say day-ay-ay-o
Daylight come and me wan' go home
Day, me say day, me say day, me say day...
Daylight come and me wan' go home ...

.....COLOSSUS

The keynesian "stimulus"
is a persisting myth contradicted by the evidence of history. The Bush administration's stimulus programs had little or no effect upon the economy; Jimmy Carter's excess money supply caused massive inflation; FDR's salvation via government caused unemployment to rise from 6 percent to 25 percent, then recede slowly to just over 10 percent for the first 7 years of his administration.
Although some credit Reagan's investment in the military as a keynesian success, it also ballooned the deficit, and, when curtailed, led to the economic downturn that thrust Clinton into power. Thankfully Clinton had a little more business savvy than BHO.
Many economists now believe FDR's
plan (the model embraced by BHO) actually slowed the recovery of the free market--the only real solution.
The arising question: Will the masses recognize the failures precipitated by Obama's "stimulus," or will they embrace government largesse in spite of its failures.
As the young boy stated during the campaign, "Obama is going to give us stuff." We can only hope he doesn't give us universal poverty.

trulib
Many of us conservatives are asking for a leader.

Good job libs - So tell me,
how is that "Hope and Change" thing working for you now?

TruLib
TruLib asks, "Where is the conservative voice that will be able to bring the Republican Party to it's senses? The evidence so far is that the Republicans have no sense."

The fact is that the MSM, the Democrats and Barry himself has made fiscal responsibility into a bad thing. Republicans and normal citizens who're crying out for fiscal sanity in Washington are called "obstructionists," whining racist rednecks or right-wing extremists.

At the same time, the nutless wonders who call themselves Republicans get bought off like two-bit hookers. They are not to be trusted to do the right thing any more than the Democrats. Conservative voice in the Republican party? Can you hear it squeaking like a little mouse?

And the great American unwashed are too stupid, greedy and ignorant to care. As long as they can watch American Idol and their soaps, they don't really give a $hit.

Besides, when it all hits the fan, these knuckleheads will just blame Bush and his "failed policies" - policies which Barry is carrying to extremes.

experts??
What experts are they useing???
I don't know if any of you remember me posting back in Jan. & feb. that we would see unemployment at 10% or higher by the middle of summer and that we will have inflation by the end of fall. SO far I have been closer to the mark than all of Washintons brightest and best. no matter if they be Rpub. or Dem.
That my friends is why I say with full confidence that each and every one who now sit's in Washington is guilty of treason !!!!! There is no other explanation for this and for their actions other than treason of the highest order.... What think the rest of you???

TIME TO RE-VISIT ORIGINAL DECLARATION
…..When in the course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another …

…..We hold these truths to be SELF-EVIDENT, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Government are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed…

…..That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it …

…..COLOSSUS

I dont think so
"One day, we will emerge from recession; we always do. "

Most Americans don't realize that Obama's goal is to collapse the dollar. When you finally understand this everything makes sense. Obama wants socialism and the easiest way to bring it about is to destroy our economy and insure that the dollar collapses. Government will have to step in to save us from the catastrophe. Laugh at me now but this is exactly what hes doing.

Frank
"Although some credit Reagan's investment in the military as a keynesian success, it also ballooned the deficit..."

What "ballooned the deficit in the 1980's was the stuuborn, arrogant insistence of the Democrats in DC that they were going to get at least $1 of increase in entitlement spending for every $1 increase Reagan got in military spending. By the time it was all tallied up the Dems added something like $1.3 in entitlements for every dollar of increased military spending under Reagan.

"...and, when curtailed, led to the economic downturn that thrust Clinton into power."

The "economic downturn that thrust Clinton into power" was triggered by the tax increase that the Democrats in Congress kept insisting upon, which GHWB promised wouldn't happen ("Read my lips, no new taxes"), but caved in and signed anyway.

In 1960, when JFK took office, the entire national debt was $291 billion. Today it is nearly $10 trillion. The only thing that has been consistent throughout these last 40 years, in which the national debt multiplied to more than 34 times its size, is that entitlement spending has increased EVERY SINGLE YEAR.

The civilian federal government has gotten bigger EVERY SINGLE YEAR.

Throughout the last three decades the left has gotten away with blaming our fiscal troubles on the military and "tax cuts for the rich". They never tell you the truth, that even after GWB's increases because of terrorism, Defense comprised less than 21% of the budget, whereas SS was more than 32% and HHS (welfare) was more than 31%.

You can imagine what these %'s will look like after "Stimiulus", Obamacare, and Cap 'n Trade.



Dr. Chaz & Steven
I am constantly surprised by the number of "Dumb As Americans" still in existence. You 2 are by far the best examples of this group. In 1940, America and Britain controlled 5/6th of the known world resources. Today that figure sits at 1/3.I cannot discuss the nature of the 1/3, for reasons you wouldn't understand. Yet Americans are wondering where are the "Jobs". The world is experiencing a new economic reality and it goes undiagnosed by people such as you. The fluctuations you see at the gas pump,have more indications than your ability to analyze. Jobs in and of themselves, do not indicate the healthiness of a modern day economy. WHY? Ask someone who understands economics! Until then leave the economy to those who understand it. Please...

Killer

Killer whispers, "I cannot discuss the nature of the 1/3, for reasons you wouldn't understand."

You can't discuss the reasons because you're a BS artist.

george is right
Nobody can be as stupid as Obama seems to be (except Jimmy Carter, Barabara Boxer, and Sheila Jackson Lee).

There is no way Obama can really believe his own propaganda; that his takeover of banks, auto companies, health care, energy, and the 'Stimulus' bill are going to revive the economy.

Barack Obama is bare-knuckle, hardball, Chicago-style politician and a dedicated Marxist. His view of the Presidency is that it's a position from which to rule, not serve.

Pay close attention to his position on the change of leadership in Nicaragua. It's very instructive.

The change went by the numbers; exactly as prescribed in Nicaragua's Constitution. But Obama opposes it. Why? Because it is an example of true political power being spread out within the gov't. It's an example of a leader, Zelaya, trying to expand his power beyond the Constitutional limits and being slapped down, appropriately, by Nicaraguan patriots.

But Obama has no regard for shared power or the concept of serving the people. He despises these precepts. Obama wants to be an autocrat. Obama plans to have the 22nd Amendment revoked in time to run for a third term, just as the Clintons planned to have a third term by running Hillary in 2000.

The only question that remains is whether Obama fatigue will thwart Obama the same way the Clinton fatigue thwarted Hillary.

Correction
In my last post I referred to "Nicaragua". Should have been "Honduras".

HighlanderJuan Me - 9:13AM EST
Juan,
I believe the country elected Obama because he offered "change" from a system that didn't work any more.

Our old Capitalist system favors too few. The public understand that. They know the system needs to change. We have lost far too many jobs. The masses have been living on borrowed money ever since the US manufacturers were seriously challenged by low wage labor. The Japanese exposed the vulnerability of our manufacturing industry.

Our industrialists rejected the ideas of J Edwards Deming to improve quality of our products. He sold his methods to the Japanese and we never recovered. Our old Capitalist system produced corporate leadership who failed to innovate.

Yet, these same people got their golden parachutes and were handsomely rewarded even though they had failed miserably. Our old Capitalist system did/does not reward creativity and innovation.

And the majority of the people could see the problems with our old system. Obama called for change. Republicans wanted to protect the old, failed system.

The people had no real choice.

The change they got was not a new, more competitive and creative Capitalist system. They got a Socialist.

The people will vote properly (if we survive Obama) when Republicans recognize the failures of the old system and a new, Creative Capitalism takes its place.

The new system will reward creativity and productivity to competent people regardless of social class. These people are everywhere. They are not necessarily graduates of Harvard or Stanford. The system needs to offer appropriate financial gain to real accomplishment and not to position.

That new system can start anywhere in any business. Politicians are followers. The breakthrough will come from common folk in the heartland. The proper change won't come from Wall Street or from DC


Wiseone
We agree on far more than we disagree on.

Lets create 2.5 million jobs
My friends,

Lets not consider tax or fiscal policy for a moment, and simply consider the cost of a jobs
program to create 2.5 million jobs, and bring
unemployment down to the stated goal of 8%.
( Please refer to Mr. Harsanyi's quotes of
Administration Officials and the NYT. )

Now, if we pay $1500.00 per month, tax free,
simply to provide work to anyone willing,
2.5 million jobs cost $37 Billion dollars.

Adding in administrative costs of 10%, $3.7
Billion, for a total of $40.7 Billion.

Now, assuming we can put people to work
as teachers aides, doing rudimentary infrastructure work ( striping roads, filling
potholes, et. al. ), police and fire department
reservists, etc., there would be some
marginal costs,( Uniforms,
materials, i.e., asphalt, paper, etc. ) but
as the basic facilities already exist,
schools, police stations, et al., we can
ignore fixed costs and simply
add another $15 -20 Billion for marginal
costs.

Bottom Line: A jobs program to meet the Obama
Adminstrations goals should cost something on
the order of $55 - 60 Billion dollars. This
would create 2.5 million jobs putting people
to work doing useful tasks.

We've spent $800 Billion and accomplished
none of the stated policy objectives.

Absolute Bottom Line: A tax cut of $60 Billion
would accomplish the stated goal much more
quickly and with the virtue of allowing people
to spend the money as they see fit, not as
dictated by Washington.

Kindest Regards to All,

Thank you for Reading,

I am,

John Lepant
Brighton
Colorado

RJBJr
RJBJr clims, "The new system will reward creativity and productivity to competent people regardless of social class. These people are everywhere. They are not necessarily graduates of Harvard or Stanford. The system needs to offer appropriate financial gain to real accomplishment and not to position."

Can you explain the difference between the "old failed capitalism" and your bright shiny new capitalism?

Obama - "The One"
This piece of excrement and his minions has done more to ruin this country than any war in the past. And the love affair between the MSM and this puke is an absolute abomination. They write of him as if he's a god and can even walk on water.
Big Government has got to get a handle on Big Spending and realize that throwing money at the problems of this country is not the solution. Yet the Demoncrats and RINO's continue on a destructive course that is wrecking this country both morally and financially.
Big Government control is well underway and we'll all soon be working for the criminals and idiots in Foggy Bottom. And sadly it's our own fault. We elected these incompetent idiots.
Hopefully 2010 and 2012 will see an end to this destruction and it can't come too soon.
Let's vote these idiots out of office.

THIS TIME WE MEAN IT
We tell the politicians that we will put them out of office unless they start to listen to us This time,we MUST mean it. Republican, Democrat, Independent, they all should go. Unless a politician is brave enough to stand up and say this is WRONG, they should begin to look for other work. PERIOD. No more sleeping in on voting day, or finding an excuse not to stand in the long lines. 2010 will be a test. 2012 the graduation. Obama must go! And with him all those who stand by and let this happen. Remember, it will be a horrible life living in poverty and RULE. We watch that type of life everyday in Iran. Is that what we wannt? Not me...I have always worked hard and provided for my family and I refuse to see this Country go down without a fight. ATTEND YOUR TEA PARTIES!!!! Take an hour off of your 4th and display your RIGHTS.

Bob C
What Killer practices is far from art, it's just plain BS.

ropati
ropati Location: CA
Reply # 3
Date: Jul 4, 2009 - 1:55 AM EST
The only "Hope" in this economy
is Barry's hope that it will work.

It hasn't. It won't.

Those who are ignorant of history are doomed to repeat it. Sounds like Barry didn't learn much in history class.
===============================================

Oh Contra re.

Mein Kampf,
Alinsky's Rules for Radicals,
Cloward-Piven Strategy,

This is the history Barry paid attention to, and as I see it, he kept good notes.

THE OBAMA TELEPROMPTER
repeats many of the same phrases. Watch for these:

IRAN - I'm concerned.

N. Korea - I'm very concerned.

Honduras - I am concerned.

Economy in February - Bush caused the disaster and it is going to get worse before it gets better.

Economy in Arpil, May & June -Bush again and It is going to get worse before it gets better.

Economy in July - The Stimulus Package is working. It has been going on for a long time, we miscalculated, but employment is going to get worse before it gets better.

Iraq & Economy - There are stil rough times ahead.

My question Mr. President, when does it get better under your administration? 9 million Americans on unemployment want to know.

RJBJr FL Jul RJBJr Location: FL

I would submit to you that the "old system" works just fine but that wrong-headed and/or corrupt elected officials have violated the law and constraints put on them by the Constitution.

The lawless condition we are in today has been coming for over 100 years. It has been so slow that, like cooking the frog, we have been lulled into ignoring the problem by the very same people who have been causing the problem.

Now the water is boiling, the people are aware, and we have to decide whether we want a lawful and constitutional republic or just another socialist state.

I think you will see we will get back to a lawful government.

Right after the revolution.

Tea Parties
The Tea Parties are starting here. Gotta go.

How are we going to pay for this?
Currently Obama and Congress are proposing a $3.5 trillion dollar budget with a $2 trillion deficit for next year. How are they going to pay for this and all of the debt piled up over the last 100 years? AEI puts Medicare with an $85 trillion un-funded liability, Medicaid is around $26 trillion, $11 trillion in Social Security, and $13 trillion in national debt for a grand total of $135 trillion. Now Bob Munch and other liberals suggested we raise taxes to pay for this. Now, if we are spending $3.5 trillion this year and will have a $2 trillion deficit it must mean we will collect $1.5 trillion in taxes. So, lets double the taxes of everyone. No, that will not work, as we will still have a deficit of $500 billion for the year. Ok, lets triple everyone's tax rate. Lets ignore for a moment the negative impact of such a tax increase. Now, we have in $4.5 trillion income and $3.5 trillion in expenses leaving a $1 trillion surplus. How long will it take to pay off the national debt? 135 years! Can you imagine paying 3 times what you are paying now for the rest of your life and the rest of your children's lives?

"One day we will emerge from the
recession; we always do."

That was before the Communists took control of the government.

They have implemented programs and are in the process of implementing others from which we may never recover.

Look how long Social Security and Medicare have been around, to say nothing about the "War on Poverty!"

I'm not even convinced that there will be a mid-term election in 2010. Moreover, even if we do have an election, who is to say that Conservatives will be triumphant? Those who are benefitting from Obama's "largesse" might be so numerous that they may swamp the rest of us. God help us!!! God SAVE us!!!

It is ironic that
the guy who campaigned on fear of dependence on "foreign oil" has no problem putting us in hock to foreign nations for generations to come.

Being in debt to China does not make me happy.
What's worse: China is losing confidence in us (as they should be). They will stop lending or call in their debts. Where will we be then libs?

Just Wondering....

Can anybody identify any significant accomplishment in the past 50 years by the Democrats that have improved the standard of living for working middle class families?

If not, why do middle class working people vote for democrats?

RJB jr.
Is there some school for "Idiots" in Florida? The future of the American economy, has begun, but you and others are too "Dumb" to know it. What are you waiting for a "Sign"? I am going to help you. Most of the major inventions, related to this system, have been discovered. New ideas won't be discovered or even compatible, until America adopts a new system. The saddest thing about living in America is, Americans don't understand their economy well enough, to know the next step. Americans could expand their economy tomorrow, if they only understood economics. Most of you, complain about the debt our children will face. Yet you have not a "Clue" about the economic challenges which are only 20 years away. You can't even protect your own children. That's pathetic...

Killer of Brain Cells
Bob_C: To call "Killer" an artist of any sort is to deprive the word "artist" of any meaning.

Killer does have at least one thing in common with our current president (as do most liberals): A yawning chasm between his estimation of himself and his actual intellectual capacity.

Impeach Obama Impossible?
Obama is destroying our country. I believe cap and trade could do this on its own. If that didnt work socialized medicine would. Is there any way to impeach Obama on the grounds that he seeks to destroy the country through his policy?
Would it be impossible with the huge democratic majority?

There will be no economic growth........
Under Barry al Hussein, our Moooslim Boy in Chief, we will not see economic growth.

Why? Because al Hussein believes in government, top-down, state-run, command and control economics and he dislikes business and the free market.

Again why? Because Barry is essentially a race-baiting, left-wing lawyer who main supporters are lower-educated, lower income folks who want more and more government in their lives. Barry is literally "spreading the wealth", "evening out things". But, that is not the system the historic United States was built on.

Barry never worked a job in his life and by that I mean he never worked a job that wasnt't a taxpayer funded, government job.

More government = no economic growth.


The Secret Is In The Name
There are more registered Democrats than Republicans because we are a Democracy, not a Republic. Therefore, when people register for the first time, they pick the Democratic Party because it is supposed to be the standard bearer of the name. Unfortunately, it has become just the opposite, at least from the Liberal Democrat point of view. Under their mis-management, we are rapidly headed towards a totalitarian form of government whereby the government controls everyone, but gives itself a free rein to do as it wants with public funds. Until we start fighting back, we can expect more of the same. Every time we elect another Liberal Democrat to any office, we are cutting our own throats. Obama, the silly putty President, is dancing to the music of George Soros and the power interests that put him in office. Like Ahmadinejad in Iran, with the Mullahs really in power, it is the Liberal powerbrokers who are really running our nation and they want their cut of the pie off the top, at our expense. Today is the appropriate day to wake up America!

Clifton L. West

John C thread #34
I hale from the great state of Texas. One of our US Reps, The Honorable Louie Gohmert proposed exactly what you discussed. Putting a moratorium on payroll taxes for several months. This would of allowed more in-flow into the economy with greater efficiency.

To add to your discussion of spending. Highway infrastructure received approx. $55 billion, total hard infrastructure spending in the bill is in the range of $150 billion (20%). TxDot received $2.2 b in funding and has awarded contracts amounting to over 50% of their allotment by June 12.

We own a relatively new construction company with approx 2 months backlog ahead of us. We were blessed to received one of these contracts in the form of a small bridge repair project. Our budgeted labor is approx. 26% of the contract amount. We will not hire any new employees as a result. However, 10 of us will be able to feed/house our families for another 2.5 weeks. Of which we are proud. In addition, the structures we repair will have additional life span.

Keep up your well thought/written posts.

BTW, I hope some of the Texans who "invade" your state during ski season act well and make us proud.

12% Unemployment Coming......
Under our Alien in Chief, we will likely see 12% unemployment nationally, with several states much higher. Currently some states are at 13% and 14%.

Why will this happen?

Because Barry Soetoro, a man with connections to terrorists, anarachists, radical muslims, a slight resume is who he is: His pappy's son.

Barack Obama Sr. was a communist official with the Kenyan government back in the 1960's. His pappy favored government growth and restricting the private sector. Why? Because private enterprise does tend to allow the "cream to rise to the top". This creates dislocations and inequitities as those who are more ambitious, more talented, harder working, smarter, etc. rise to success.

Obama senior and junior can't have that. Therefore use government to redistribute wealth from the successful to the less successful and thus secure a new voting bloc.

Government grew 19%; GDP tanks

Federal spending grew 19% so far (thru May) this fiscal year compared with prior fiscal year.

GDP growth dropped sharply during that period.

Killer
You're just another pathetic mindless Obama zombie. You constantly talk about the new world order economics, but offer not a whit of substance other than the ages old Marxist idea of the weak teat-sucking off the strong. Sadly, you appear to be the product of the empty-headed Saul Alinsky-controlled schools in America today-- all bluster and not an intelligent thought mustered.

You sound frightened, Killer, and you should be.
You and your ilk are about to have your universe turned upside down--blown away by a reinvigorated America. The American people are onto your scam and you will be wailing and gnashing your teeth within the year. Your time was brief, tiny dancer. Enjoy the throes of political death, Killer!!




Creating Life
I love the line about this administration creating life. He must've learned that one from Dailey while in Chicago, origins of "Obey to Play" tactics to overload the Obamabus.

Dr. Chaz
The Marines always go first into battle. Why? It is important in war to know yourself. The Army, Navy and Air Force all go next. Why? It is important to know your enemy. We call this a "Query".

Dr. Chaz
Are you familiar with the rules about feeding the trolls? When you engage in discourse with a moron it only encourages moronic activity. That is not why we are here.

The *stimulus* is lite on stimulus
partly because there is no money. Those *shovel-ready* jobs are still digging sh*t because Geithner hasn't caught the presses up in printing phony money and/or China is behind in buying us via Treasury notes soon to be worth nothing.

NYC will lose $5.5 billion in tax revenues due the recession this year but is supposed to get $5 billion from the stimulus. Only, it hasn’t' showed up yet. Bad Schumer? Or is Bloomberg too much for King Elect O's crowd?

An lesson in ec.'s
The US produces c. $2.5 trillion taxes for the feds annually. It will be less this year due to unemployment.

Bush' last budget was $3 trillion. He had a $500 billion deficit. That money was backed by selling Treasury notes to China, who got to OWN another $1/2 trillion of us.

The Bush *stimulus* ($162 billion), the TARP ($750 billion), King Elect O's $1 trillion, *TIMULUS,* O's $1.6 deficit, and O's $1-3 trillion healthcare ARE NOT BACKED BY REAL MONEY.

The money for those phantom amounts must either be created by merely printing money (inflation ahead), borrowing (SELLING OURSELVES TO China and Saudi Arabia), or taxing (that's about to come from krap and trade, which will raise electricity rates on the ave. household $1200 and raise gas to CA-blend $10 a gallon).

Now, that's why the *stimulus* isn't *working.* Most of the money doesn't exist, just as King Elect O's entire life and program don't really exist--they are smoke and mirrors of a *person* who never did anything in his life and then voter fraud and a derelict media conjured him into the White House.

Happy Fourth of July!

There won't be any new jobs
until after the 2.5 million people who lost their jobs are back at work in good jobs in the private.

How to create millions of real jobs:
We the people pay all taxes, and we are the only ultimate source of all tax revenue. Regardless where government initially collects it, all tax money ultimately comes from us, the people.
Since we the people are the one and only source of all tax revenue:
There should be only one tax to collect all tax revenue.
It should be a single, simple, fair, direct, graduated, individual, full-income tax levied on living persons for each level of government: One Tax and Done.
You cannot convince a person or corporation to start a new business or expand an existing business, increase jobs, and hire new employees, when you tax away the capitol he is using to operate his PRESENT business
The best thing that government can do to help the country, the people, and even government, is to repeal all of the many hundreds, or thousands of existing taxes, fees, and charges. These taxes are the federal deficit. These taxes are the high price of everything. These tax eliminations are spending cuts. Every tax that is eliminated is a tax that we the people no longer have to pay. These taxes are the difference between the price we pay for health care and everything else, and the price we would pay if these taxes were repealed. Eliminating these taxes will remove them from the price paid for everything by everyone.
One Tax and Done will provide many benefits to all, even government:
One Tax and Done will reduce the price paid for everything by one-third.

Heres what we do know.

Many Liberals believe military spending under Ronald Reagan gave us deficits.

Acutally educated people know that 75% of military spending goes for saleries. Not planes, not tanks, not ships, not bombs,

Reagan increased wages for service personnel because they had not received a raise in pay since the Viet Name War.

Having said that, at no time during the Reagan Administration did military spending exceed 5% of GNP. 4% & 5% of GNP is the traditional amount this country spends in military spending during peace time.

In addition, had the Liberals in congress listend to Ronald Reagan and kept spending increased to the same rate of inflation, the budget would have balanced in 1988.

As all educated people know. Congress is responsible for spending. Each year Reagan proposed 4% increases in spending and Congress proposed 13% increases in spending. The compramise was 8%.

So when you hear a Liberal complain about spending during the Reagan years just keep in mind they are really complaining about the Liberals in Congress.

They are just too stupid to know it.

Renny
There is a huge amount of money sitting in the banks waiting to come out and wreak havoc with our economy. The government has created a huge amount of money in the past year. Look into the growth of the money supply and the ratio of cash in circulation and cash sitting in banks.

There is a lot of money and instead of fixing what's wrong it will go a long way towards making things worse.

Alert!

Like the 'isms, but for Capitalism, Steve McNair is either dead or dying.

Ouck Obamaism.

USeful Idiots

I like your post. Do you think it is more constructive for taxpayers to pay a welfare recipient to watch TV or to pay a soldier to defend the country?

Happy 4th of July.

Want to make a wager, David?
David Harsanyi says “One day, we will emerge from recession; we always do.”

I am not convinced. We have never seen the kind of recklessness before that we have seen from this administration where the very laws that undergird are republic are being ignored. We might see some paltry growth that will be hailed as “the end of recession”, but I don’t think our country will ever be what it was before unless we get a truly conservative president backed by a truly conservative congress with enough gumption to undo everything Obama has done.

Prosperity comes when entrepreneurs are confident enough in the strength of the economy to take the risks associated with venture. Then you need capitalists who are also confident enough to invest their money in backing new or expanding businesses to bring these products to market. Without these two factions, true prosperity will not be realized.

With the punishments on wealth that Obama has put into place, and with more to come, anyone would be a fool to invest their money in this country now.

I think unemployment will continue to grow, possibly past anything we ever anticipated. Along with the millions who will lose their homes because they don’t have a job, the printing of paper money without any wealth to back it will eventually create inflation as we see our cash worth less and less.

I expect that things will get much, much worse before they get any better; if they ever do.

Begging your pardon
Third line of paragraph two should read "... undergird OUR republic" not "...are republic".

D G from Ky
You said, "What in the world do the Democrats think they are doing? There will be nothing left of the middle class because of their wreckless spending."

You're right! That's the plan. There will be only 2 classes in America. Instead of the home of the free, it will be the home of the masters and the slaves. This is the plan of the far-left and it is working brilliantly with Obama as it's figurehead. Hope you don't mind eating out of garbage cans and wearing four layers of clothing to keep warm.

LOL America!

Is it Legal?
Someone on another blog raised a good question. He said, is it legal for the Congress to be passing laws without reading them. I know a notary doesn't need to read a document but does a Congressman? Isn't it in his job qualifications that 1. he be able to read and 2. he actually read a bill before he signs his name to it.

I am sure John Hancock read the Declaration of Independence before he signed it. By signing, he was placed under a death sentence if caught. Now our politicians are not put under a death sentence when they sign bills. Maybe they should be so that they will take their job seriously.

We have come a long way from John Hancock. We now have the Obama boot-lickers for our leaders. The barn door has been opened and only the chickens are left to rule.

God bless our country.

Don't knock Gibbs....
the US deserves its very own "Baghdad Bob." (Remarkable resemblance, don't you think?)

The White House Should Pay It Back!
The U.S. Congress should not be allowed to vote themselves a raise. That would save billions. Where in the constitution does it state taxpayers are to pay for their raises whenever they want even during economic crisis while citizens are losing their jobs after those in office stole their tax dollars and social security?

Pelosi should not be allowed to jet around and pollute the air at a cost of millions to the American taxpayers every month. That would save millions each year. Where in the constitution does it say that taxes will be collected to pay for Pelosi's private jet trips?

All federal public servants should pay for their own private healthcare insurance. Why are the American people paying for their private healthcare insurance and their families healthcare? Why can't they pay for their own like everyone else? That would save millions every year. Where in the U.S. Constitution does it say that taxpayers are to pay for their healthcare insurance?

And, why are taxpayers having to pay for their lifestyle because they held office for a year or two? Where in the constitution does it state that those in public office get a free ride at taxpayers expense for the rest of their lives? Wake up, and save yourselves billions and let them pay back what they stole from us.

TruLib
I think all the money printed to fulfill all these idiot bailouts and stimuli will give us the stagflation of the 70s in quadruplicate.

And I think King Elect O and his minions think further *crises* will up O's *need* for the public to keep re-electing him so he can keep *saving* them.

But my guess is with 56% telling Gallup they don't agree with O’s ec. policies two weeks ago and 51% telling CBS/NYT's that deficits are too high and Rasmussen getting a recent poll last week saying altho' 31% think O sits next to God, 33% think O is the anti-Christ, with its number trending upward, that the O takeover plans are in the tank.

Helen Thomas just woke up from her sugar O coma and discovered Obamanation is staging the news, so the worm will slowly turn in the MSM, which once it builds you up, can do a slick job tearing you down.

The problem will be Big O is thin-skinned, has planned for years to be dictator for life of the US, and will not take kindly when all the love and affection disappear.

I'd day: buy gold and a gun or two. Join the NRA and learn how to shoot.

Bork Sotomayor.

Tea party in DC 9/12. Get a seat on a bus. teapartypatriots.org.

re: Post #52
God Bless Texas! You folks always make us
proud!!

I am,

John Lepant
Brighton
Colorado

Lying, Arrogant, Irresponsible -- GW
GW Bush lied about Weapons of Mass Destruction
Invaded a soveriegn nation unjustifiably
Ran up the federal deficit
Said he was not actively searching for Osama Bin Laden
And the list goes on.

You people lost, and for good reason. Learn from it and stop putting down President Obama out of pure ignorance and possibly racial hatred.

Dear Angela from FL
We lost because the electorate is filled with ignorant people like you who refuse to educate themselves about what is going on. People like you believe anything that the MSM and President Obama tell you. That is except when Predient Obama told us that for his cap and trade plan to work our utility cost would "necessarily sky-rocket". Why is it that people like you believe him when he says that he had no idea that his spiritual leader was an America-hating racist but you ignore it when he tells you that he is going to make the cost of cooling your home in the summer and warming it in the winter go up? Why don't you believe him when he says that it's time "to spread the wealth"? Are you hoping to get some money from those mean old rich people? Why would you vote for a man who pals around with unrepentant terrorists? Why do you call anyone who doesn't believe every word that President Obama says a racist?

Conservatives and Republicans lost because people like you hated George Bush so much that you were willing to vote the person with the least experience into the most important job in the world. Feminists let the MSM conduct character assassinations on Hillary Clinton and Sarah Palin to ensure that President Obama would win. The MSM lost all semblance of objective reporting to help President Obama win.

President Obama promised us many things. Not the least of which was change. So far, I've seen a lot of change and I don't like it. I hope that you are happy and I hope that you will be happy in the future when the government has taken over your healthcare and the cost of energy has gone through the roof.

The biggest lie of all.

The biggest lie of all is that "GWB lied about WMD's" .

Mindless, mesmerized zombies repeat that worn-out false statement over and over and over........just like an old broke record......

Andrea
About that federal debt. During Bush's first 6 years with a Republican Congress $2.6 trillion was added to the national debt. Bad? Definitely. That is why the Republicans were kicked out of office. In the next two years with a Democratic Congress $2.4 trillion was added to the national debt. This year the projected deficit is $2 to $2.5 trillion. At the high end more than Bush's first 6 years. If you look back at the last 65 years of adding to the national debt it breaks down like this:
When Republicans controlled both houses of Congress $3 trillion has been added.
When Democrats controlled both houses of Congress $7 trillion has been added.
When it has been split $1 trillion has been added.

Now, who is more irresponsible?

The Bush Administration Did Lie
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7xyd_IRgGs

Look, it's obvious they lied to get us into an unjust war.

It's obvious we were in a recession and the repugs did nothing.

No our current president has to fix many of the thing that GW Bush and his croonies broke.

Andrea from FL

For you to believe Bush lied about WMD, you would have to believe Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton, Tony Blair, Vladamir Putin, U.N. Inspectors, the Presidents of France, Italy, Germany, Poland, Kuwait, Israel, Saudi Arabia, U.A.E., and Several of Saddam's own Generals.

All of the above stated on the public Record that they beleived Saddam had WMD.

Question??? Are you the type of person who believes in Conspiracy Theories? Do you believe Elvis has been sighted off the cost of Cuba? Have little green men taken you away at some point in your life?

Now there were serveral good reasons to remove Saddam among which "Crimes Against Humanity". WMD was only one of the reasons.

Now that you are better educated on the subject, I trust you will not keep going around making a fool of yourself on Publc Message Boards.

Bush Debt


I wonder which part of the Bush Deficit would the Liberals would reduce.

Homeland Security? Airport Security? Railroad, highway, port security? Xray machines, Bio weapon detectors in all major cities? Radiation Detectors in all major cities? Additinal training for 1st responders?
Additional training for military? Upgrades to spy Satellites? Return of F-16 patrolling U.S. Airspace? Border Security?

You see G.W.Bush spent Billions of our money upgrading the Security of our nation.

Perhaps you would like to return to the way it was before 9-11? Perhaps you would rather have another 3,000 of your fellow americans killed?

Or are you just content to sit back and complain?



"Hope for Change"=Hate the U.S.
Obama has trashed the U.S. economy beyond any hope of recovery and his not through yet. He has said "We are out of money" and told a Gollywood audience of his slobberers a couple of weeks ago, "You ain't seen nothing yet."

The Cap & Trade and ObamaCare if passed and signed into law will be the final nails in the coffin of the U.S. the Obamas hate.

Come on he ran on hope for change in the U.S. they hate and you know what Michelle said about her lack of pride in the U.S.

Click on my name above to see an analysis of Obama and what we must do about him quickly to save the U.S. from them.

Just Say NON To Obamanism

I speak 5 languages, but not Austrian


In Louisiana, we had a Constitutional Convention in 1973 which, among other things, mandated a balanced budget and became effective in 1974.

In law school, the books called Louisiana the * State.

Just call me a fiscally-conservative CONSTITUTIONALIST without party affiliation and a female CAPITALIST PIG, who always wears black and FMPs,.

Did you know that Palin has no problem with homosexuality and islands in Alaska can see Russia?

I speak 5 languages, but not Austrian.

So, VA TE FAIRE FOUTRE, which is French urban language for Go F Yourself.

Merci beaucoup.

*** Old Social Worker ***
Please contact me at:

waltwelton@tds.net

It is quite important

Thanks

Bob_C MA July 4 11:42A
"Can you explain the difference between the "old failed capitalism" and your bright shiny new capitalism?"

Yes, I can. And, I'd love to.

I call it Creative Capitalism. Creative Capitalism could restore the US to manufacturing leadership, release the creativity of the American people, raise the standard of living of all Americans, throw the Socialists out of political power for good, pay the national debt, equalize financial opportunities for all, reward creativity and productivity according to true contribution to the Nation's wealth, ...

Can you explain what such an idea, if it does what I say it does, would be worth?

Andrea
500 tons (yes, tons) of yellow cake uranium (that would be the stuff Wilson told you Sadam wasn't trying to get from Niger) was found in Iraq and shipped to Canada for destruction. What do you think Sadam planned to do with that material?

Nobody ever proved.....

Nobody ever proved GWB lied..... so why do people such as "Andrea" repeat the lie about "GWB lied"?

Hint: The test of a lie is "intent to deceive".


I think it is worthwhile

I think we should all review this video that demonstrates just how and why Obama was elected:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mm1KOBMg1Y8

For the record, Obama is NOT the Messiah, and everything he does is NOT perfect.

You Obamabots need to open your eyes and get away from the Bush hate drama.

Bush wasn't that good either.

DG
People like Andrea say Bush lied while ignoring all the Democrats that said the same thing because it fits into their weird world.

Andrea, here is a story about the yellow cake by that right wing organization CNN: http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/07/07/iraq.uranium/

Baby Boomer debt
in 1972, when Boomers first began holding office, our debt stood at about 300B. For that we had fought and won the Revolution, 1812, Mexican, Civil, Spanish-American, First & Second World Wars, Korea, Vietnam, and put men on the moon. Along the way we invetned space filght, commercial aviation, re-built Europe and Japan, invented the transistor, microcircuitry, computers and telecommunications - and the internet, cured polio, smallpox and a host of other diseases, invented the MRI, microsurgery, etc., etc. etc.

The debt is now about 12 Trillion dollars. For this we have to show nothing but failed social and corporate welfare programs. Boomers have invented NOTHING. They are parasites on the backs of the parents who raised them so badly as to ruin America and destroy Western Civilization.

Time for Boomers to go. Time for Americans to outlaw their holding of public office.

Bush vs Obama
Can we all agree that neither Bush nor Obama has/is representing the American people and justy move on! Stop the finger pointing, already. "We the People" have been screwed, we're P.O.'d and we are coming! This time the labels "D" and "R" are irrelevant, 'cause we're gonna' throw evryone of you bums out and start over.
Sheesh!

Think and Mike
Think. I agree. The budget has not been balanced for 52 straight years. There has been one failed policy after another. When a program fails the idiot politicans only believe that if you throw more money at it then it will work properly.

Mike - I have been saying that for a while. Throw every elected official out of office and return fiscal sanity to this country. Do you know we are paying 40% of our income to support the government. Here is an article from that right wing site MSN: http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/Taxes/Advice/YourReal TaxRate40.aspx

OBAMA OWNS THE ECONOMY NOW
Despite Obama's claim that the Fedruary's $800 Billion stimulus bill is working, the facts and figures don't show it. The small businesses are the backbone of our economy, but small business are collasping along with bigger ones, only at a faster rate. In April, for example, more than small 8,000 businesses went broke and filed for Chapter 11.

In addition to the business bankruptcies are the personal bankruptcies. According to the Los Angeles Times, the rate of personal bankruptcy is soaring in Southern California.

In April, according to David Rosenberg at Gluskin Sheff, the feds added $121 million (at an annual rate) in total stimulus to the consumer economy - including tax reduction and increased benefits. In May, the total stimulus rose to $163 million. How come so many bankruptcies when the feds were giving away so much money?

The answer, says Rosenberg, is that consumers didn't spend the money; they saved it. Consumer spending rose just $1 billion April - despite $121 billion of stimulus. In May it rose $25 billion - despite a 'stimulus' 6 times that amount. This also shows a lack of consumer confidence in what Washington is doing.
No small businesses. No new jobs. No new jobs, no economic recovery.

No economic recovery and the meddlers are back on the Hill asking for more power and money.

No surprise there.

On a Sunday morning show Joe Biden said that Obama under estimated the condition of the economy when he took office. That dog won't hunt anymore. It's Obama's and the Demwits economy now.


Mike, Andrea, etc.
The issue is the extremes on both sides. We need to get rid of the extremists on the Right and the Left and move forward as adults. Yes, we do and should have differences between the parties. Competition in ideas drives the best to the top. But we need to get rid of the extremists on both sides.

Abortion is here to stay, an anti-abortion plank just ensures new generations will never vote GOP - in-thrall to the Far Right; Same with homosexuality - no nation ever fell because of gays - and who cares, anyway?

But look at what would happen were Roe overturned: There are no women of child-bearing age in America who ever have lacked legal access to abortion - to think that will change is fantasy. Leave it to the states and it'll be legalized - and the Far Right will go away - and the Far Left will join them in obscurity, abortion being the only thing holding the fractious Left together. And then abortion, as it currently is, will begin to decrease in popularity as education and experience hold more sway.

Group rights and socialism always have led to poverty and tryanny - the extreme Left needs to get over the ahistorical infatuation with the failed policies of Europe and move center-ward - towards what worked in America until the extremist Boomers came on the stage. We never have been bipartisan - Truman "hated" Republicans - but we never have been held by the extremes on both sides.

Extremism is killing Western Civilization. Time for everyone to grow up, understand that to be an adult is to accept the world as it is and then work within its confines to make it a better place, understand America's role in defending and promoting Democracy globally (per JFK), but also understanding the government is in the way more often than not (Reagan), and that all progress has come from individuals - not governments, and not groups.

Andrea: "repugs"
Andrea - I'm going to go out on a limb here and assume you are a Democrat, a liberal one.

Re: Your use of "repug" as an appellation for those in the GOP.

Are you even aware that Dr Martin Luther King, Jr. was a Republican? Are you going to call him repugnant? No? Are you aware the the 1955 Voting Rights Act was passed only because a larger majority of GOP Congresspersons voted for it than Democrats? Same with the 1964 Civil Rights Act? Are you aware that in 1927 the GOP tried to bring anti-lynching legislation to the House Floor but the Dems wouldn't allow it to be voted upon? Are you aware that it was Truman (D) who dropped the bomb? Twice? And got us into Korea? That it was JFK (D) who got us into Vietnam? And that it was Johnson (D) who escalated it? That it was Wilson (D) who, on receipt of the Zimmerman Telegram (Germany asking Mexico to invade the US) that Wilson decided to attack Germany - giving us the way WW1 ended, the collapse of Germany and its hyperinflation in the 1920s, which gave us WW2, and the ignoble end of the Ottoman Empire - giving us Islamist terrorism today? That it was Carter (D) who assisted in the fall of the Shah and allowed Khomeini to return to Iran, giving us global islamofascist terror now? Are you aware that of all the combat deaths in the history of America, fewer than 2% were in wars gotten into by a Republican President?

Try to read a bit of history, please, before you launch in here with silly little sayings from celebrities like the ever-inane Julia Roberts, OK? You might learn something.

to Think
First, if Roe were overturned, abortion would not be illegal. The states' constitution would respond, and, legislators would likely require a vote whether to allow abortion in its state. Roe "constitutionalized" abortion, which was an overreaching on the part of the judicial branch of government, which has no authority to "legislate" or govern from its bench. The Supreme Court is not voted on by the people, and is supposed to be "blind" in implementing justice, not capriciously changing the constitution. To conjecture that this is an issue of "immaturity" or "extremism" is unreasonable, even shocking to anyone who understands the Constitution and state's authority.
Secondly, Christians (I'm assuming that's who you mean to be extremists) have as much right as anyone to use our country's freedoms to compete for our vision of America. To resort to name-calling is cheap.

THINK - CA
Two very good posts. I hope Andrea can read and understand them.


stimulus
the stimulus bill is utter failure in helping the economy but it is successful at what it was intended to do which is grow the power of the federal govt

Tea Party
Did anyone go to a tea party yesterday? I did.

Here's a nice piece by Pamela Geller yesterday on the Sarah Palin resignation. I suggest you read it.

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=103019

Biden Fesses Up
Biden fesses up that this administration screwed teh economy.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/07/05/biden-misread-ba d-economy/

zap and your 100 year war.
Quoting Biden, "Other issues Biden discussed during his ABC interview:

--Asked whether the United States would put the lives of U.S. troops on the line should violence flare up again in Iraq, he said "no." The U.S. still plans to withdraw all troops by 2011, Biden said. "We believe the Iraqis will be fully capable of maintaining their own security."

So, it was supposed to end in 2010 but will end in 2011. I guess that is a little short of your 100 years of war in Iraq. Now, you declare a savings of $213 trillion. Hahahahahaha

debt
How ironic, the 800 billion stimulus wouldn't even pay two years of interest on the national debt.Man!We are in deep doo doo.

We don't need no stimulus
It wasn't supposed to work, fools. The Stimulus was designed to spread the wealth around to Obama's friends and it did, with no healthy effect for America ever intended. Wake up. Obama is getting what he wants, a bankrupt economy the American people will abandon in favor of his communist society where he will decide what to do with your money, not you. Redistribution, hmmm? Sounds like the failed system in Communist Russia.

Same Old Fascist Thug Deal
It's the 'New Deal' scam all over again.

The Great Depression lingered for nearly a decade unabated until WWII broke out. This occurred in spite of, or, more likely, BECAUSE OF, The New Deal! Treasury Secretary Henry Morgenthau wrote in 1939 that "it [Keynesianism by that time] does not work" and "we have not made good on our promises." Under the ND, the Government tried to micromanage the economy. It was the American version of fascism.

But of course, "it would have been so much worse" without the New Deal!

The National Recovery Admin. in its 2 year life generated some 10,000,000 pages of rulings, fixing prices & wages. Just attempting to keep up with such is a daunting challenge. Its price fixing discouraged innovation & efficiency while guaranteeing inefficient businesses their profits.

The financial crisis was charged up by the government-motivated destruction of creditworthiness standards & mortgage bubble, which Barney Frank wants to continue! As soon as the Bush bailouts & then the so-called "stimulus" hit, everybody froze. The government stands over all business like a Whack-A-Mole player threatening to smack anything that pops up. Who will get subsidized or stepped on? The spending will lead to inflation & tax hikes, so who can count on the future? (Never mind "climate change" initiatives!) Naturally, those who get 'lucky' will just happen to be 'friends' of the regime, & vice versa.

The Depression ended w/ WWII probably because the New Deal ended, and FDR did not live to see the end of the war, so he was out of the picture when all those vets came home & all those factories needed to switch back to supplying citizens for peacetime.

How long did it take for the Carter "stagflation" to abate once Reagan cut taxes & arbitrary micromanagement?

What will end THIS government-caused financial crisis?

Stimulus
Well, Obama is stimulating the market for $100.00 steaks in Washington, D.C.

I hope the NYT goes bankrupt and its reporters go dumpster diving.

Goal - 100% dependency for you and me
I agree with RonC. This is our future: there will only be two types of jobs, federal government and those created by subsidies to corporations who fall in line with Obama's program (e.g., GE). Everything else will be squelched. At this point, there will not be a tax system as you will be "paid" directly by the government (they never did think it was your money, anyway). Since you won't be taxed, you will no longer be able to demand any accountability. All existing capital and assets will be confiscated. NO more private property for the "little people," who will survive only to the extent they belong to the right group or kiss the right behinds. The elite class, of course, will still have their separate private means of securing and increasing their wealth... There is nothing new here, except to those who can't or won't see the truth.

over and over
There they go again, blaming somebody else because of their own lack of ability to fix problems, this excuse gets more mundane as each day passes.

Obama Lied
He lied about not molesting little boys-he has
He lied about his children-they are not his
He lied about his past-he has none, he was adult at birth grown in a test tube
He lied about lieing-he lied about that
He lied about michelle, she is actually a sasquatch.

Do i need to back any of this up with documentation, links or any research? nope, I said it so its truth.

Seem familiar?

The Whiner
* From an August 23, 2001, Q&A at Crawford Elementary School:

BUSH: I tell you what the numbers are showing. They're showing that we've inherited an economic slowdown and the country is in an economic slowdown. And so what a President should ask and what the Congress should ask is what can we do to stimulate economic growth. And we responded with tax relief.

* From an August 14, 2003, press conference:

REPORTER: -- and were running a $455 billion deficit, as are you, all other things being equal, wouldn't you be upset about it?

BUSH: Let me tell you something, the deficit was caused by a recession which we inherited and did something about. The deficit was caused because we spent more money on fighting a war, and the American people expect a President to do what is necessary to win a war. So I look forward to taking this debate on. I really do. We did the right thing when it came to tax relief. We inherited a tough situation.


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