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The Censorious Left's Global Warming Denier Deniers
by David Limbaugh
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There is so much misinformation on the subject of global warming and so little consensus -- as to what environmental changes are occurring, whether human behavior is contributing to them, whether they are causing significant environmental damage, and whether the proposed cap and trade legislation would do anything to alleviate any of this -- it is no wonder our freedom-hating majority in the House insisted on cramming it through before they could even read, much less digest, what it contained.

It would be bad enough if they passed innocuous legislation to address an alleged problem (man-caused global warming) without first verifying there is a problem and then analyzing and assessing the extent of it, but it's outrageous that they would pass a measure that could have crippling effects on our economy and American taxpayers.

Who do these people think they are -- that they can claim a mandate to do anything they want to, that they can grab as much power as they want, that they can transform our government overnight into an enemy of the people, with no fear of accountability? Oh, I know; the government has already behaved like the people's enemy all too often, but never on the scale we're witnessing today -- from a party that had the audacity to accuse President George W. Bush of abusing his authority.

Just where is the journalistic skepticism in today's dominant media culture or the professed open-mindedness of Democrats?

What is their response when people have the temerity to challenge their assertions on catastrophic global warming? It is ridicule and abuse. Not only are the doubters flat-earth Neanderthals; they are darn near treasonous, according to the dogmatic left.

You don't believe me? In a piece about the cap and trade bill, New York Times columnist Paul Krugman wrote, "As I watched the (global warming) deniers make their arguments, I couldn't help thinking that I was watching a form of treason -- treason against the planet."

Don't get me wrong. It's not really newsworthy when leftists incline toward criminalizing their political opponents. Both Krugman and his colleague Frank Rich wrote columns last month essentially blaming President Barack Obama's critics for the murders of abortion doctor George Tiller and the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum security guard.

But I digress. While President Obama says that global warming "science is beyond dispute and the facts are clear" and Krugman says the "warming deniers" have "contempt for hard science," the record reveals a different story. If anyone has contempt for hard science, it is the Krugman leftists, who, either because of their political agenda or ideological predispositions, refuse to acknowledge -- let alone consider -- opposing opinions, even when they come from "hard scientists."

One way they deal with the very real fact that there is significant opposition to their dogmatic conclusions is to personally attack their opponents, usually saying evil corporations with vested interests in destroying the planet have bought them off. Just as often, they simply out-yell, ridicule, ignore or attempt to silence them. Remember when MIT's Richard Lindzen acknowledged that many scientists refuse to publicize their dissent to make "their lives easier"?

I would like to know how Krugman and Obama would explain away the fact that more than 31,000 scientists, including more than 9,000 with Ph.D.s, have signed a petition urging the United States government to reject the global warming agreement known as Kyoto -- "and any other similar proposals" -- because the "the proposed limits on greenhouse gases would harm the environment, hinder the advance of science and technology, and damage the health and welfare of mankind." Another 100 scientists have endorsed a newspaper ad by the Cato Institute challenging the president's "facts" on global warming.

But these authoritarian leftists don't just scoff at the hard science contradicting their conclusions about global warming and the extent to which man is contributing to it. In their close-minded arrogance, they completely eschew any scientific inquiry into whether cap and trade legislation would have any appreciable impact on the alleged problems.

But if they are so sure of their scientific position, why are we reading reports -- from the CBS Political Hotsheet, no less -- that "the Environmental Protection Agency may have suppressed an internal report that was skeptical of claims about global warming, including whether carbon dioxide must be strictly regulated by the federal government, according to a series of newly disclosed e-mail messages"?

That's right; the Hotsheet reports that "less than two weeks before the agency formally submitted its pro-regulation recommendation to the White House, an EPA center director quashed a 98-page report that warned against making hasty 'decisions based on a scientific hypothesis that does not appear to explain most of the available data.'"

What say you, President Obama?

If you and your comrades are so sure of your science, why -- other than, perhaps, your mission to destroy capitalism -- are you silencing and/or ignoring dissenting science?

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David Limbaugh, brother of radio talk-show host Rush Limbaugh, is an expert in law and politics and author of Bankrupt: The Intellectual and Moral Bankruptcy of Today's Democratic Party.
 
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The ultimate idiocy

Well, of course the ultimate idiocy is that for this whole issue to make any sense at all, one has to believe the earth's climate is a static system.

If that were the case, dinosaurs would still be roaming around, and we wouldn't even exist.

A mere 10,000 years ago, my property here in So Cal was under about 1/2 mile of ice. Wooly mammoths and saber-toothed cats were part of the local fauna.

These fanatics are completely brain-dead.

It's Called Eugenics
It is simple really. The dems and their elitist buddies are eugenists. They want to see a significant reduction in the planet's population.

One piece at a time they are killing off our prosperity to limit and reduce population. That is why they are closing off energy sources, limiting health care, and in the case of their global ban on DDT, killing off record numbers of third world people.

Go and google eugenists. There was something on U-Tube the other day about rahm emanuel's brother being associated with an old german eugenist doctor. He quickly had to leave the conference for an umm 'important meeting'.

This is nothing less than an attack on the human population by elitists that think that there are too many of us. The environmental thing is an excuse. They are neo-nazi eugenists.

Think maybe it's time to fight back?

Truth is not the Goal
For Al Gore and the rest of the 'believers' the truth does not matter. Al Gore will not debate anyone, especially a scientist, on global warming or climate change.

The reason he won't debate them is because he doesn't have to. He has protection in the media and in congress. We now have science becoming a political wing of the Democrat party with ideology trumping facts. The truth about this issue is not the driving force. Politics and power are the driving forces behind this issue.

Consensus is not a word used in science
Theory & Law (or Principle) are scientific words.

My favorite website for the science pertaining to global warming is http://wattsupwiththat.com/

@ Little Rush:
Consensus does NOT exist in science, just cold hard replicable facts. Scientists have offered clear and repeatedly proven findings regarding climate change. Some of the best NASA scientists (like Hansen - do you know about him, little Rush?) have successfully predicted the severity and the shape of changes to come. Satellite data, polar and glacier cores' examinations, etc etc etc...
None of this evidence works for you, does it, Little Rush, because it is to the contrary to what YOU think is the truth.
Never forget that hubris is one of the 7 mortal sins.

Evidence?
John, are these the same people predicting how many hurricanes we're going to have here in Florida? They can't predicate a hurricane months in advance and you really think they can predict climate changes years in advance? Indeed, hubris is one of the 7 mortal sins.

@ z(ero)logic:
I like how you mistake a statistical probability prediction for the next Revelation of St. John! Dude, climatologists are not playing Nostradamus! They are using models based on current observations to calculate PROBABILITY of a hurricane or hurricanes. Long term trends do point to some things being more probable than the others, nothing to do with with being a precog. I like how you played yourself and exposed just how little you understand of science.
Hahahahhaa.....

John
There is no clear and proven findings that humans have anything to do with climate change, John, and you know it. The climate has been changing for billions of years, the climate changes on Mars too. This is not a bad thing. You nutbags can't even make up your minds what is going on...

"It's cooling. Its warming. Cooling. Warming. Now its cooling AND warming! Hey! Lets just call it change and close the discussion. Doesn't matter, so long as we cripple the US economy and make a few billion for ourselves selling "carbon credits", eh?"

Carbon credits. Gotta love that one.

"I know! Lets cap human exhalation!"

Here's a good idea...How about all you lib liars stop breathing? I guarantee you that would solve the world's problems in 6 minutes. Try it now, John. If you really believe people are killing the planet, quit breathing. Please. We're sick of hearing your gas anyway.

Models
Yes John, they use models for predicting hurricanes. And as you mentioned, they are PROBABILITY forecasts. I just can't fathom how you think PROBABILITY forecasts 10s to 100s of years out are going to be more accurate than ones just a few weeks out. I like the long term trends angle. If we are to look at LONG term trends, then of course the climate is going to change over time. It always has and always will. Thinking that we can change that somehow seems to be the height of hubris. You do know there is a volcano north of Japan that has be spewing more CO2 in the atmosphere in a couple of days than all the cars on the planet will produce this year, right?

Volcanos
Well did more research on volcanoes and have to admit I was wrong on the CO2 emissions from them. But I did find something else interesting. The fact that rising temperatures PRECEDE higher levels of CO2. So which one came first the chicken or the egg? Did the rising temperatures increase the CO2 levels, or did rising CO2 levels increase the temperature. The records seem to be on the side of higher temperatures leading to increases in CO2. I've always thought the sun was our main culprit in rising temperatures. The fact that temperatures are rising on Mars seems to validate this to me. Just my two cents.

Global Warming
My beef against global warming is that no one has really explained how it works to my satisfaction. How about if we have a televised debate between the smartest scientists from each side? It would really be interesting and I, for one, would probably learn alot it.

@ Robert:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Hansen

One of the foremost climatologists with NASA, you will find a bevy of interesting links and videos by him on that page.

John
Insults are not the way to get people to agree with you. Yes, being nicer to our environment is a good thing. Destroying our economy and the technological advances that come from it are not the answer though.

We always have a choice
badbassplayer
Location: WI
Reply # 13
Date: Jun 30, 2009 - 12:36 EST It's Called Eugenics
It is simple really. The dems and their elitist buddies are eugenists. They want to see a significant reduction in the planet's population.


>Imagine living in London 1000 years ago and some elitist said that we need to quit tossing our waste out the window into the street ... that is was unhealthy and led to desease. You would have balked at the idea of having to spend enormous amounts of money to clean up a way of life that you knew as "it was ok before, why should we change now?" Today, if you said that it was ok to dump your waste anywhere ... we would all think you a nut.

And that in a nutshell is what global warming is about ... should we continue our ways, not thinking what it may do to us or our future generations? Or should we see that dumping pollution into our air and ground is just as dangerous now ... as emptying our chamber pots out the window and into the street was then?<

Little John
A little research will reveal to you that James Hansen has repeatedly released misinformation. He has corrected very little of it. I could be wrong, but I believe that he finally admitted that the 1930s were the warmest decade of the twentieth century. The great increase in temperatures across eastern Europe last year turned out to be a computer glitch which carried over the September temperature readings into October.
Global warming is not science. It is based on computer models which depend on the data input and the assumptions made. That's as scientific as making decisions about traffic safety based on what happens in Grand Theft Auto.

The reason . . .
. . . that the environ-mental zealots do not base their statements on facts, is that they do base their statements on BELIEF. This is aka a religion, and not science or factual clarity. This is why they cover their ears and whine louder, and will not listen to genuine scientific facts.

The earth is not warming up; we are actually in a cooling phase. There is no doubt that we have been careless with pollution in the past. But can't we save our country and apply sensible solutions to all sides of the issue? Can't we slow down this obfuscational frenzy enough to hear what the other scientists besides Hansen have to say? He's been discretited. We've heard him already. The effects of humankind on climate are infinitesimal. Our most urgent need is to reverse the direction this regime has taken in its assault on our nation's economy. This cap 'n' tax fiasco will have no positive benefit to job creation, global warming, or energy self-sufficiency. Anything but!

Follow the money
It isn't lucrative to dissent.

Most people don't want to be vilified for expressing a contrary or skeptical view.

It's a draconian "solution" to a hyped 'the sky is falling' scenario that has so inundated our society that the LIE is now "unquestionable." (settled?)

How ANYONE with a brain wave can believe that CO2 is a pollutant, and that 'capping it' or 'pumping it underground!' (as they are doing in Ohio) is going to 'save' anything needs some serious re-education.

It is patently absurd that the gas (CO2) that humans exhale is a pollutant.

But, if we accept this premise, then population control is logical. And, mark my words, if CAP & TRADE is allowed to stand, people will die.

Right along with our economy and our liberty.

REMOVE all Incumbents!
IMPEACH the Kenyan Usurper (and traitor) and National Embarassment!
REPEAL Draconian laws that do NOTHING but burdent Americans with Foolish and Wasteful Taxes that do NOTHING other than forward a Marxist/Fascist agenda.

UP the REVOLUTION!

Have you called your Congressman today? Senator? We can still defeat C&T. GET ON THE PHONE.

Jim
You are comparing apples & oranges. But even if you were right, both sides should be aloud to debate the issue.
Isn't that agreeable?

There has never been a debate about "global warming"...not even one.

@ Dairyfarmermom:
Honey, stick to milking cows because you do not know much about the big wide world outside your county.
Let me deconstruct just this: climate change models are not real because they are done on "computers"?
OK, why don't you go to Pentagon and tell them that their computer tests of our nuke arsenal are not "real" and that we need to revert to detonating the bombs in the atmosphere.
Go to NASA and tell them that the plotting they used to fly Cassini and Huygens to Saturn and Titan is not "real" and that they need an actual measuring tape and a theodolite to mark the probe's way there.
Go to any Big Pharma company and tell them that their protein sequencing is not "real" because it is done "in a computer" and that they will need a needle and a thread to unfold them proteins...
I can go on like this, country girl, for days. You are better seen than heard.

John & Others
Read The Skeptical Environmentalist by Bjorn Lomborg.

It's not a simple book, but it will put things into perspective.

Believing that AGW is a 'crisis' is the utmost in Hubris.

We seem to think that we have an extraordinary impact on the Earth. We are mere blips and have very little concept of how our activities impact the overall planet.

No one thinks that making intelligent decisions about REAL pollutants is a bad thing.

Running around half-cocked and killing economic systems to the point where our prosperity can no longer be used for good does't make a whole lot of sense to me.

What do you think the impact of Cap & Trade will REALLY have upon the Earth? Will the enormous costs outweigh the miniscule benefits? (sorry for weighting my words, but there is a limit on these threads)

What is your Freedom worth?
Interesting video from 1948 (Cartoon Film) that you can find on Youtube. It discusses all the great ideas from folks like Obama (he's not unique...sorry to break it to you).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=081CwgSEenM

CO2
Science tells us that we each expel 2.2 lbs of CO2 per day which amounts to 803 lbs per year and about 60,000 lbs per lifetime (ave age of 75). It seems that the really committed leftists ought to consider suicide to help their fellow man.

Let a well-informed people decide
and not the government. Certainly not the special-favored and privileged Congressmen who have their own interests in mind first. Or a Pres with LOTS of personal issues.

It would not be alarmist to say that we are going to lose our country -- or at least get much closer to that -- if this madness by the regime continues. The country's dismantling couldn't have been PLANNED better than what's taking place now. it's as if it's being pulled down with both hands.

There are much better solutions available to us than the cap 'n' tax that will reverse the economic avalanche, provide sensible transitional and long-term energy needs (such as nuclear power), promote responsible stewardship of our environment, and put tons of people back to work. We need investment, and productivity.

What's more important RIGHT NOW? Having our temperature rise .2 of a degree in 50 years, or saving our country from complete breakdown? If you can't listen to facts, how will you like the sound of chaos?

Little John
Thank you for your condescension. Surprising as it may seem, some of us in the country also understand computer modeling. We may cling to our guns and our Bibles, but we also have educations. I humbly confess that I'm an engineer as well as a dairy farmer.
As I said, computer models depend on the assumptions made and the data input.
As the old saying goes, GIGO. Or, to put it in terms that you can comprehend, garbage in, garbage out.

John
Wow. Your attack on Dairyfarmermom was pretty ridiculous.

So, if any of the examples you mentioned had incorrect or incomplete data fed into the computer we should still believe that the computer model was infallible?

That is what we are talking about.

The Earth is a pretty large system (this is an understatment). The factors that influence it are beyond our ability to assemble data.

We can make some pretty fair guess-timates on weather patterns based on our observations and knowledge. But even our accuracy on large weather systems (think hurricane) while improving, is still subject to the capriciousness (not really, but we don't fully understand all the mechanisms that produce and guide a storm of that magnitude) of mother nature.

Now, magnify the amount of information we don't completely understand a thousand-fold. Furthermore, let's make a stab at entering all the data we can, and develop a formulae for the computer to sort it all out. We would base ALL of this on Assumptions we would make. Maybe accurate a little bit, but not accurate to the degree it would take to put a man on the moon.

Besides the factors like volcanic activity and sun-spots that affect our planet that are totally beyond our control (and aren't that predictable either), it is an enormously arrogant attitude that you would put down someone for making the intelligent case that Computer Models may be fallible, and are only as accurate as is the data and rubric to extrapolate that data.

When an environ-mentalist devotee
has nothing better to say, as liberals typically do not, or if they cannot substantiate their claims, they resort to insults and name-calling. These tactics are intended to discredit, but end up discrediting the speaker or writer himself.

Hansen is not the only show in town. There are many, many others who can calmly and coherently make the overwhelming case that GW/CC are naturally occurring and not man-made.

Dairyfarmermom would put Algore to shame. Globehopping Big Al refuses to debate a reputable scientist on the issue.

The Honduras Solutions
Isn't there some kind of consensus evolving of people with commonsense that our Congress is going off the cliff and taking all of us with them? Even if all the economic killer legislation and tax increases work it would only change so-called Global Warming by less that a degree!

Maybe it's time we contemplated the Honduras solution and send the President and Congress home. GW idiocy at this scale boggles the mind and at the same time should focus the will of the intelligent, non-leftist people.

Gore and his disciples are certifiably insane and should be hustled into asylums lit by their favored energy-conserving bulbs with energy supplied by hundreds of windmills whirling incessantly outside their cocooned existence.


Krugman
Anyone with a half a brain knows that Krugman
knows nothing (worthwhile) in economics.
Now we find he knows even less about the scientific method.

THE ANTI LIBERAL ZONE
HAS THE DRAFT REPORT from Alan Carlin. It is a D*MNING report on gloBULL warming so there is no wonder WHY Comrade Blunder Boy Barry ordered it suppressed.

(Click on my handle to check it out.)

Jerseyvet
I think the Hondurans are on to something the way they removed a leftist stooge.

John
Your bias is only overshadowed by your ignorance.
Your argument is quite specious. Like Krugman and Obama you run from science at breathtaking speed.

John in NY
Yeah, the Pentagon is a pretty good source of info. I remember going into Saudi Arabia in 1990 with them saying that we were probably going to take horrendous casualties from the 4th biggest army in the world.

I think I changed my socks once during the 96 hour ground war.

Check my blog (Click on my handle) for the Obama suppressed EPA report.

You might actually learn something new other than Soros' talking points.

@ Milkmom:
Yeah, it is obvious that you have "educations"! AHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA!

@ GunnyGuGu:
Since you are so militant and brave, why don't you explain EXACTLY what do you mean.
You are one of the people that we swear to protect this country against, a domestic enemy. One of the McVeigh's tribe, one that posts on Stromfront and stockpiles ammo. You are one of those people but you are too chickensh1t to come out and say what you really think because you are afraid of them black unmarked helicopters...
Come out of the closet and say it. Do it now, we are waiting.

Computer models
There is a simple test for the validity of a computer model. You run the model for a period of time during which all of the inputs are known and for which all of the results are known. In other words, you run it for a period of time from the past. An accurate computer model will offer predictions that will come at least reasonably close to matching what really happened. It's a pretty simple concept, really.

When all of those wonderful global warming predicting computer models are tested in that way, they all fail miserably. They predict temperature increases considerably greater than the increases which actually occurred. Further, when we compare the computer model predictions from the late 1980s and early 1990s with actual results, we find the current temperatures are considerably lower than what was predicted. In other words, computer models used to "prove" global warning have not come close to an accurate prediction yet. Despite that, we're supposed to believe the models are going to "get it right" all of a sudden?

John
Wow, you really are an idiot.

johng was dead on with one exception. You (and Krugman/Obama) run from science AND intelligence with breakneck speed.

BTW Mario, what happened? Your handle yesterday get banned?

John
Reading comprehension isn't your strong suit is it?

John in NY aka Mario aka TR
Wow, you really are an idiot.

johng was dead on with one exception. You (and Krugman/Obama) run from science AND intelligence with breakneck speed.

BTW Mario/TR, what happened? Your handle yesterday get banned?

Little John
Many of the dairy farmers in this area are Cornell graduates or graduates of other fine institutions of higher education.
However, us apple knockers up here in the hinterlands also know that it's unsporting to have a battle of wits with an unarmed opponent. I must respectfully decline your invitation to further debate.

AWESOME! I LOVE THIS PIECE
I hope David wiped the spittle off his key board after typing such overwrought nonsense as "...Who do these people think they are -- that they can claim a mandate to do anything they want to, that they can grab as much power as they want, that they can transform our government overnight into an enemy of the people, with no fear of accountability?...".

Or almost as good "...What is their response when people have the temerity to challenge their assertions on catastrophic global warming? It is ridicule and abuse. Not only are the doubters flat-earth Neanderthals; they are darn near treasonous, according to the dogmatic left..."

David time to try your hand at writing a bodice ripping romance. Reading your total melt down starts my day off with laughter and general mirth. Thanks again.

badbassplayer
You were right about The Ballerina's brother.

The world economy is teetering … With trillions of dollars evaporating in this crisis, millions of middle-class Americans face the prospect of losing their homes and jobs, and witnessing a dramatic contraction of their retirement savings. In response, the public will desperately want financial security…. [B]ailing out bankers and other gamblers [and the] huge increase in the federal debt that these bailouts will entail intensifies the pressure to rein in health-care costs….The dean of health-care economists, Victor Fuchs of Stanford, has long maintained that we will get health-care reform only when there is a war, a depression or some other major civil unrest. It’s beginning to look like we might just have all three…. —Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel, “The Financial Crisis and Health Care,” the Chicago Tribune, Oct. 12, 2008

When Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel wrote those words, he was chair of the Department of Bioethics (euthanasia education) at the United States Institutes of Health. Today he is President Obama’s leading representative on a Federal “death council” drawing up a list of medical procedures to be used to deny care to elderly, chronically ill, and poor people, whose lives are considered of less value. Ezekiel’s brother, Obama’s Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel, is ramming this Nazi-revival policy through Congress.

Quite a crowd the libs elected.

badbassplayer
Here is the video of The Ballerina's brother.

http://joelstephan.posterous.com/eugenics-revival-under-gov ernment-health-plan

Libs are simply murders of infants and the elderly.

Maybe we DO need to go after THEM!

Where Are My Glaciers!
Back in the 70's when I was in school I was taught that the turn of the century would see a mile-high wall of ice consuming New England and the Great Lakes. Where are my glaciers?!?


John, you wrote.....
"Was the ozone hole a figment of imagination and has the phasing out of CFCs destroyed the US economy? Was the acid rain a figment of imagination and did the CAP AND TRADE system we established to combat it destroy our economy?"

The answers are yes on the ozone hole and yes on acid rain. Both are a figment in the minds of radical environmentalists.

Ozone over the poles comes and goes every year. It's a natural chemical cycle. It was not necessary to phase out CFCs as CFCs had nothing to do with it. Ozone is still coming and going over the poles with the seasons. We just don't hear about it anymore. Unfortunately, the Montreal Protocol provided the environmental and political left with a model to follow in grabbing more power. Hence, we got the UN's Kyoto Protocol to fight alleged "Anthropogenic Global Warming". This time they are seeking power over power. God help us if they get it.

The claim that acid rain was killing trees and destroying fish in ponds downwind from industrial areas was equally bogus. Back in the 1980's, the US government commissioned a study known as the National Acid Precipitation Assessment Program (NAPAP). The NAPAP scientists found that acid rain was not the problem and in fact there was no problem at all. However, NAPAP's scientific findings threatened to undermine the EPA's efforts to pass the Clean Air Act. The EPA suppressed the NAPAP report (sound familiar?) on acid rain and even destroyed the career of the scientist who led the study.

Just as it was then, so is it now.

John in NY
Wow...I've read the posts and I must say I'm surprised at your venom. A valuable, enlightening discussion should never devolve into mud slinging and name calling. I know that it's easier to do than to admit that someone with an opposing view might actually have a valid point. You make many assumptions (i.e. that dairyfarmermom is uneducated). I also am fascinated that you would depend on Wikipedia for your information. Wikipedia is good for a quick reference, but its had enough troubles in the past, that one should look to other more solid sources of information to back up anything taken from Wikipedia. And one4 should be willing to seriously look at other points of view.

I'm with all the others, we really need to have an open, honest, civilized debate on this whole climate thing. We the People need to be informed and then we can do our job of informing our representatives on how they should represent us. But...wait...that's not how they do business these days. And We the People are going to suffer mightily for this insidious slide into a European-stye social democracy.

COMRADE BARRY'S BIG LUAU
wonder WHY the lapdog media missed this one.

http://www.hawaiimagazine.com/blogs/hawaii_today/2009/6/23/ Barack_Obama_White_House_Hawaii_luau_food

Kinda like flying from Andrews AFB to Williamsburg VA on AF1.

COMRADE BARRY'S BIG LUAU
wonder WHY the lapdog media missed this one.

http://www.hawaiimagazine.com/blogs/hawaii_today/2009/6/23/ Barack_Obama_White_House_Hawaii_luau_food

Kinda like flying from Andrews AFB to Williamsburg VA on AF1.

THIS JUST IN!
Comrade Barry names Hal Drunkahue Czar of Alcohol consumption in the US.

FINALLY an expert in the field appointed by Comrade Soetoro.

ATTENTION ALL
John is none other than Mario. A childish clown banned every day here. Please ignore the child and it will find it's way back to the Daily Kids and HuffHo.

The Models,
Those vaunted models which predict future doom can't even accurately replicate the past.

Some of the science in the following articles is a little steep, but they shouldn't be beyond an educated layman who is willing to put a little effort into it:

http://joannenova.com.au/2009/04/03/global-warming-a-classi c-case-of-alarmism/

http://joannenova.com.au/2008/10/26/the-missing-hotspot/


COMRADE SOETORO
and the noble lie.

http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=YTMzMmE3ZjE3YTkzZGJjN2 VmZWFlMzUwNzViNWFkNmY=

A GREAT read on the libs NEW Liar-in-Chief.

Theology
Liberalism has ceased being an ideolgy and has now 'evolved' into a Theology (there's irony in that statement!)

To disagree with a Liberal means one has to endure being labeled as a heratic (in addition to the everydady dehumanizing rhetoric).

I've heard Bob Beckel on Fox describe people who refuse to subscribe to the whole Global Warming...oops, I mean 'Climate Change'(now that the planet is cooling again) mantra as 'Flat-Earthers', as if to imply that they must be idiots.

The Liberal establishment is behaving no differently than the Catholic Church did during the Dark & Medieval Ages where to disagree with them meant excommunication.

Without 'Man-Made Climate Change' being a reality, the entire Cap and Trade Bill devolves into nothing more than a massive redistribution of wealth from one industry to another...and guess who's in on the ground floor of those new 'investments for our future'?

"How fortunate for leaders that men do not think."

"Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it"

"The great masses of the people are more easily swayed by a big lie than by a small one."

All quotations from Adolf Hitler....he was elected too.

No wonder Obama is all flustered about Honduras.

Barking up the wrong tree!
I get a real kick out of how easily most (not all) of you are tricked into debating issues that are at best tangential to the real issue here. Whether there is global warming and whether it is man made are interesting arguments, but they divert attention from the real issue that needs everyone's attention.

Put simply, even if you accept the liberal global warming contentions (and I do not), the cost/benefit ratio of any of the proposed solutions is astronomical! "We've got to do something" is pure nonsense when the something has near zero impact on world greenhouse gases and yet has a very high cost in both dollars and regulation.

If you run the numbers, the sum total of all of the US proposed solutions will AT BEST reduce world greenhouse emissions by 10%. (And, this number is highly optimistic, and doesn't deal with the carbon and other so-called pollutants already emitted for the past several centuries.) Also, please don't fool yourself into thinking countries like China and India will engage in anything more than lip service in reducing emission levels. They will quite likely increase their emissions beyond our 10% reductions in a few short years.

If you want to have a real impact on emissions and energy independence, support the one clean, safe energy source, nuclear.

Or, go dip a cup of water out of the ocean, put a lid on it, and store it on a shelf to reduce the ocean level rise. This will have almost as much impact on global warming symptoms as the proposed solutions I've seen so far!

My response to the "We've got to do something" crowd and their proposed high cost and near-zero-impact solutions: Nutz!

Climate change science
has nothing to do with either science of climate change.
It is a political/religious crusade that has emphatically denied science a voice.
Facts and scientific knowledge are irrelevant, and actually a hindrance, to the crusaders.

Thomas
"and guess who's in on the ground floor of those new 'investments for our future'?"

For one, the leader of the DNC and their sugar daddy, George Soros.

Great post on Hitler and Comrade Soetoro.

God and global warming
Regardless of popular opinion, man cannot create global warming but God can and one day will cause the elements to melt with fervent heat. Believe what you will, but according to my faith, I "ain't" gonna be here and old Al will really see some action but it won't be caused by man, that is if he is still here.

RASMUSSEN
has Comrade Soetoro's approval rating at ZERO!

Now THAT is change I can get behind!

SUCK IT LIBS! You elected a snake oil salesman and he's DESTROYING your party (along with his organ grinder master Soros.)

MORE CO2
is good for crops.

http://www.omafra.gov.on.ca/english/crops/facts/00-077.htm

But the leftists seek to limit CO2. Hmmm. Eugenics?

With Comrade Soetoro acting like Louis XIV (Hawaiian Luau on OUR DIME), it may come to a "let them eat cake" moment.

deerhunter
"Date: Jun 30, 2009 - 8:14 EST
Climate change science
has nothing to do with either science of climate change.
It is a political/religious crusade that has emphatically denied science a voice.
Facts and scientific knowledge are irrelevant, and actually a hindrance, to the crusaders."

LMAO and next you will want to "scientifically" discuss the existence of UFO's; the earth is 8,000 years old and creationism. Wait trolls there be trolls????

HEY LIBS
is Comrade Soetoro's Aunt still living off of the taxpayer's dime in Tax-a-chu-settes or did she get deported like illegal aliens are supposed to?

HAL THE LYING REMF POGUE TROLL
Care to refute the report from Alan Carlin from the EPA?

You know the one that Comrade Soetoro SUPPRESSED!

http://noliberalspin.blogtownhall.com/2009/06/30/the_leftis ts_and_globull_warming.thtml

Unless, of course, you're just a liar and a troll like you admitted to being on 3 June 2009 on Malkin's thread.

John in NY and Hal the REMF:

Your verbally abusive, illogical rants on various threads
say more about you than the issues under discussion.

If you actually believe what you post, I feel sorry for you
in that for some inexplicable reason you feel you must be
here, striving and desiring to influence us, rather than
getting on with your life, free of what you consider
the nonsense we believe in.

If you DO NOT believe your own spew, then it tells me
you are here simply to hinder and discourage us, and to
divert and impede any rational discussion.


In either case you are, to a large degree, wasting your time.



Hal
Scientists know.
You don't, because you are not a scientist.

Darrell
"Date: Jun 30, 2009 - 8:21 AM EST
God and global warming...Believe what you will, but according to my faith, I "ain't" gonna be here ...."

Classic conservative no my problem so why should I worry about it LOL Thank you so much for reaffirming my thoughts on conservatism

Greens
Denying the denial of 'deniers'
- since 1948 -

SWEEEEEEEEETTTTTTTTTT
The results of rampant liberalism.

Indiana is one of five states -- along with Arizona, California, Mississippi and Pennsylvania -- bracing for possible shutdowns this week as time runs out for lawmakers to close billion-dollar gaps in their fiscal 2010 budgets.

With the exception of Mississippi, four blue states are screwed. Kalifornia issuing IOU's! Indiana turned blue for Comrade Soetoro! haha. How's that Hope and Chnage working for ya?

BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

tax and spend, tax and spend, tax and spend.

HAL THE LYING REMF POGUE TROLL
still waiting for you to refute Carlin on my blog.

I posted the report. It's available for reading. You can even download it.

Guess the facts triumph over your dogsqueeze AGAIN!




Guns
"Unless, of course, you're just a liar and a troll like you admitted to being on 3 June 2009 on Malkin's thread."

Now I heard that hald nearly got his ticket punched for sexually propositioning other soldiers, an airman, I believe.

That wouldn't surprise me. He types like a teenage girl. What IS it with the "lmao" and "lol" in his every post?

Focus On The "Trade" Part

In "Cap-n-Trade", we KNOW that it will be an unfair burden on individuals and small businesses, but do not forget the "Trade" part of the name.

The Waxman-Markey bill, if enacted, will give away 85% of carbon credits and offsets to farming, electrical companies, the oil and gas industry, and certain segments of industry. It would also "create", in the de facto sense, a market to TRADE these "exotic financial instruments", like CREDIT DEFAULT SWAPS.

GE and Goldman-Sachs have already set up "green energy" branches. Both received TARP funds.

Obama has said that the effect on emissions would be negligible. In fact, the overall impact would be to lower the temperature by 00.10% over 100 years.

The best theory that I have heard to explain the reason that the 8 Republicans voted for this absurd piece of legislation is that they have large constituents that are in the financing and banking segments.

Is it any wonder that one company supported Cap-n-Trade in the 1990s? Oh, did I forget to identify the company? Try, ENRON.

WATCH OUT
for the man-child-in-chief!

http://www.drudgereport.com/flashoe.htm

Comrade Soetoro, the never ending circus clown!

Careful folks, he scratches and pulls hair!


We need global warming NOW
The reason that so much of this planet has had drought for so long is that we’ve been in an ice age, and water needed for normal condensation has been frozen into glaciers. Glaciers are frozen water needed as condensation for barren and frozen lands of this planet, causing drought and flooding. When glaciers melt, some water runs into the oceans. Some water thaws the ground below where the glacier was, and soaks into the ground. Some water evaporates into the upper atmosphere to become normal rainfall for the whole world.

The heat of the sun, clean air, and the absence of cold from glaciers and sea ice would cause more water to evaporate from the oceans, lakes, and rivers into the upper atmosphere than there presently is; the winds would blow it evenly around the world, providing normal rainfall world-wide, even where there presently is drought and barren and frozen land, preventing flooding. Ice contracts when it melts, and would lower sea level.

The worldwide rainfall would cause long-dormant seeds in barren lands to sprout and grow into new plants: The best way to go green. The new plants would inhale carbon dioxide and exhale oxygen, which we breathe. There would be so many new plants, that we might have to increase the amount of carbon dioxide we generate, to provide enough for all of them

If the glacier in Greenland would melt, the codfish, which fled the severe cold temperature, would return, and the land could be farmed, as it was when originally colonized by Vikings.

Many parts of the world have record amounts of snow and ice. Arctic ice is as thick as it was in the 1970’s when an ice age was predicted. Polar bears, which had thrived during the previous decade, are heading south to escape the severe cold. We’re entering another ice age in 2014. We must drill and pump our own oil, natural gas, and mine our coal as soon as possible, so they are available for use.

Joe
"Now I heard that hald nearly got his ticket punched for sexually propositioning other soldiers, an airman, I believe."

He's all about h0m0s serving openly, now we know WHY.

Small wonder him and Camus aka Mario got a thing going on.

Me [Camus] and Mr. Donahue
We got a thing goin'on
We both know that it's wrong
But it's much too strong
To let it go now

We meet every day at the same internet cafe
Six-thirty and no one knows he'll be there
Holding hands, making all kinds of plans
Playing the Townhall troll role

Me [Camus] and Mr. Donahue
We got a thing goin'on
We both know that it's wrong
But it's much too strong
To let it go now

"Wind"fall For Pols
"House Speaker Nancy Pelosi has vowed to bring the Obama-Waxman-Markey (OWM) anti-global warming cap-and-trade energy bill to the floor for a final vote Friday, which raises an interesting question: How much money will Pelosi make if the measure becomes law, as seems quite likely?

Pelosi, of course, is not the only member of Congress to own significant shares of energy companies. Senators and representatives from all over the country do, not just the "oilies".

But as House Speaker, Pelosi's ownership of an unknown number of shares in the Clean Energy Fuels Corp. (CLNE) valued at between $15,000 and $50,000, may deserve particular attention.

Shares of CLNE have gone up and down in value in recent years, thanks to the fluctuations in the price of natural gas and changes in the oil industry worldwide.

Another prominent public figure with an interest in OWM is CLNE's major domo, T. Boone Pickens. CLNE is a cog in Pickens massive plan to create a giant wind farm in West Texas to generate electricity.

Pelosi will profit because OWM will boost the price of natural gas on the market. This is because natural gas burns with significantly less carbon emissions than other fossil fuels. For companies trying to get under OWM limits for greenhouse gases emissions, burning more natural gas instead of, say coal, will be a no-brainer. That will drive up demand for natural gas, which in turn will create upward price pressures."

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/beltway-con fidential/Pelosi-will-profit-from-Obama-Waxman-Markety-cap- and-trade-energy-bill-49034421.html

RE: the 8 Repubicans who yea’d us

The best theory I heard was that deal-making was rampant
leading up to the vote. Anything was for sale, Nazi Pelozi
would promise anything to get the numbers necessary.

I heard that these 8 Repubicans were promised that
strong candidates would not be run against them in 2010,
and DNC money would not be deployed be to help the soft
candidates who were nominated.



St. Denis In Obama's Red America
Follow the money.

From William Frozen Money Jefferson to Nazi Pelosi. All samey-same.

NOT ONE
leftist puke has refuting what I posted:

http://noliberalspin.blogtownhall.com/2009/06/30/the_leftis ts_and_globull_warming.thtml

Evidently, the only hot air is coming out of their oral sewers.

Chord
I have some of what the Judas' were offered here:

http://noliberalspin.blogtownhall.com/2009/06/29/tar_and_fe ather_the_traitors!.thtml

John McHugh REALLY sold his soul.

Cap and trade
The sky is falling said Chicken Little.
There's looming catstrophe.
The glaciers will melt, the oceans will rise.
It's doomsday for you and me.
The politicos use sketchy science.
Their goal is total control.
Cap and Trade a smokescreen,
As the strive to control our souls.
One man is at thr forefront,
The environmental lord.
He's making millions, refuses debate.
Me thinks the World's getting Gored!

Read My Lips

"More new taxes on energy and health care benefits (unless you are a member of a privileged group*)."

George H.W. Obama



* If BOTH spouses belong to a UNION.

No Science - only wholesale fraud
Polar bear expert Mitchell Taylor, who has studied the animals for 30 years, was told his views 'are extremely unhelpful’ when he attempted to participate in an upcoming meeting of the Polar Bear Specialist Group (set up under the International Union for the Conservation of Nature/Species Survival Commission). So, one of the world's leading experts on polar bears has been told to stay away from this week's meeting, specifically because his views on global warming do not accord with those of the rest of the group. His absence at the meeting is attributed to his scientific views – based on 30 years of study and observation of polar bears. Dr Taylor agrees that the Arctic has been warming over the last 30 years. But he ascribes this not to rising levels of CO2 but to currents bringing warm water into the Arctic from the Pacific and the effect of winds blowing in from the Bering Sea. This is an example of how AGW adherents are able to claim that “the debate is over, the science settled and the consensus on global warming is overwhelming” – by not allowing dissent to participate in the debate at all.
Using this tactic, I, a 63-year old man could confidently be able to win the middleweight championship of the world in professional boxing. If I had only to arrive at an area, enter the ring and shadow box for 10 three-minute rounds against no opponent, I could go the distance and claim that I was never even touched.
This is what passes for science in 2009 – a scripted public relations ploy crafted by a former politician and abetted by current power-hungry politicians, both aided by sell-out scientists who will go to any end for continuing Federal grants or to curry favor and receive a political appointment to a top level Administration position. This parlor game is not science in any way, shape or form, What it is is fraud.

John
James Hansen is crazy and has no creditability. I wish I could have climalogist's accuracy rate, but I have a real job and would be fired and lose the company thousands of dollars. When did we start recognizing these people as scientists?

http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/0 00/016/591lnajh.asp

Natural vs. Spiritual
Hal, I don't expect you understand the things of the Bible. The Natural man understandeth not the things of God. Most of the posters lamblast you for being a liberal and that dosen't seem to stop you which is O.K. as you have a right to your opinion. The heat I refer to comes at the end of the Battle of Armageddon which unless you know the Bible you will not understand. There will be a new heaven and a new earth after this cleansing but then you probably have never studied the Bible, so just take my word for it and lambast me on.
However there is a great warming going on right now called inside global warming and believe me you don't want to be a part of that.

Guns:
I see. I knew that mario was a pillow biter, and I suspected hald was kweer by the way he types("lmao" in every sentence). I didn't know they were actual "partners". Figures.

I guess "lmao" means something different for hald, "m" stands for mario and laughing has nothing to do with it.

will, hald, and mario till the wheels fall off.

Camus
"Date: Jun 30, 2009 - 8:40 AM EST
Hal
Que pasa Amigo ?
Hope all is well , seems gummy has caught the Geeky flue
He is delusional , much more so then usual.."

Awesome here but very busy. Gummy, federal employee/sad little man, always was delusional but now it is hitting hope that change is not coming it is here and they matter little if at all. That is why the limbawls are melting down and shrill with nonsense, lies and hate.

I hope you are well

HAL and MARIO
Me [Camus] and Mr. Donahue
We got a thing goin'on
We both know that it's wrong
But it's much too strong
To let it go now

We meet every day at the same internet cafe
Six-thirty and no one knows he'll be there
Holding hands, making all kinds of plans
Playing the Townhall troll role

Me [Camus] and Mr. Donahue
We got a thing goin'on
We both know that it's wrong
But it's much too strong
To let it go now

What a cute couple these queens make.

Hal, the REREMF Lying Doofasss:
You want to see someone wnho is truly delusional look in a very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, large mirror.

Science Schmience
These comrades don't give a rip about science. This isn't about science. It is about power.



Screw the thugs.

Power to the people!!!!!!

Hansen
The only quote from the Hansen maniac that should be of any concern to researchers is:

"We won't hear an end to this noise (opposing opinions) until these people are dead."
Sounds a lot like the inquisitional persecution that Copernican astronomers suffered to me.
If it were up to the Hansens and Gores of the world, we'd still be under the Ptolemaic system.

Greens
Sincerely suppressing science
- since 1522 -

Badbassplayer is correct
This is about depopulation of the planet.

The "Population Bomb" and Planned Parenthood are 2 examples of the depopulators. How can they have their Utopia with all us riff-raff filling their planet.

General Electric
Making a market. Making out like bandits.

GunnyG-SFA1973-MPaddy-StD-Others
I was talking to my brother Sunday evening. He told me that farmers in his area are JUST NOW getting the first cutting of hay because it has been too COLD and WET to get a tractor in the fields. One guy tried and sunk to the rear axle. Corn in my area is 2 feet tall and the state is having to put on extra crews to keep the grass mowed and tree trimmed along the roads and highways due to SO MUCH rain this spring. Global Warming is ANOTHER of the DYING Gasps of the Drug Addled, Syph Ridden, America Hating, Leftover Hippie, Liberal Cowards.

gunnyg federal employee/sad little man
"Date: Jun 30, 2009 - 8:53 AM EST
Joe
"Now I heard that hald nearly got his ticket punched for sexually propositioning other soldiers, an airman, I believe."

He's all about h0m0s serving openly, now we know WHY..."

LOMAO Lie away guys. It is so typically conservative to attack the honorable career of an honorable military man. If you are out of ideas and arguments turn to lies LMAO. Gummy just because don't ask don't tell let you stay in doesn't mean that it is right. No one cares... All we are doing is destroying unit readiness, cohesion and integrity now.

Who Profits?
St. Denis, Gunny, Joe, d'hunter, Ron & others:

We are witness to the biggest scam in all of human history.

It boils down to this...either mankind IS causing Global Warming, or Climate Change, or whatever name the Liberals are going to call it this week, and mankind CAN change the climate of the planet, OR all of this is a bunch of hooey.

The fact that the Left absolutely REFUSES to have a debate about any of this, actively suppresses any and all contrary data and instead has chosen to fire up the Doom and Gloom Machine and have it running at TOP SPEED is proof enough that they are willfully bamboozling the entire country for their own gain.

Just as the NYTimes carefully censors themselves when it comes to protecting one of their own, yet gleefully throws CIA agents and the American citzen under the bus to the massive detriment of our country if they can make a headline shows exactly how power-hungry and self-centered they truly are.

This is all about greed and power and the whole GW/Climate Change canard is nothing more than a grand smokescreen.

Only one side can be right on this, and ONLY one side wants to suppress debate.

Same with Abortion, Torture, 'War Crimes' and the Sub-Prime Mortgage Crisis.

Come 2010, unlike the Democrats, who only threaten to prosecute the 'criminals', we must back candidates who will ruthlessly hunt down these traitors and bring them to justice.

Kinda like what we did to Bill Clinton except make certain the consequences are a more severe than a slap on the wrist and disbarrment.

Their greed knows no bounds.

"What shall it profit a man if he should gain the whole world but lose his own soul."

Global warming
The biggest problem with the debate over global warming, aka climate change, is that fit has been progressing for at least 10,000 years. The Apache and the Navajo would not be hear if the great ice barrier had not melted at the end of the last ice age. Mankind has attempted to control the weather throughout history yet has been unable to create or destroy even small rain storms. The idea that we are inadvertently creating a major climate change when in fact global warming has been going on since the creation of the earth. If our sun had remained a white dwarf, all of earth would be covered with ice, and there would be no life on this planet at all.

It comes down to this:
"We know what's best for you - so don't argue and do as you're told"

The general approach of Liberal Activists with Power. (Please don't waste a good argument; I noticed this while still a child.)
Right now, that describes two of the three branches of our Federal Government.

Anyway - this is about government acting as an enemy of the People.
All Government - all the time - in all places; is the enemy of a free People. It is - unfortunately - also a "necessary evil". All of this was recognized formally some time just prior to the penning of our Constitution - and the primary driver for the way it was written. As a necessary evil - to facilitate the interactions of People - we must have some form of government. But the government must be held subservient to the People, so a document was generated that is intended as a curb to the historical excesses of government at the expense of the People.

Unfortunately, a majority of the People have dropped the ball by standing idly (or ignorantly) aside and allowing an activist minority to use the all-to-willing government to usurp their liberty and perogatives "for the greater good". In reality; "for THEIR greater good (feelings)".

Personally, I much prefer the extreme possibilities of a free (from government)life, to the limited scope of a activist-government-controlled one; no matter how benevolent they think they are.

flap ears and globull warming
just as flap ears has demonstrated an ignorance of the consitution, ignorance of history, ignorance of america's role as the defender of democracy, ignorance of economics and worst of all total ignorance of what america is, he remains ignorant of globull warming

But for flap ears it all comes down to power. He has a compliant co ngress u nder the control of the two morons piglosi and her lap dog corrupt land deal reid.

These two cried constantly about bush and his abuse of power but march in goose step while flap ears the fraud works at becoming a dictator.

And of course there remains the compliant and obedient msm. They are equally as far left as flap ears because they see nothing wrong with his agenda and what he is doing to the economy.

I doubt that flap ears truly gives an acorn's rear end for globull warming, but he does understand the new powers congress wants to have to regulate america and collect $trillions in new taxes and fees to use as he wishes to implement socialism in america.

Obviously the dims in congress are in full accord with what flap ears is trying to do for they have yet to tell him no on any issue or any spending issue.

Perhaps america will wake up for the 2010 elections and vote to put a stop to flap ears grab for power and further destruction of america

Thomas

The Goreligionists and the usual suspects in the financial world profit, but everyone else foots the bill.

"What shall it profit a man if he should gain the whole world but lose his own soul."

They sold their souls long ago, assuming that they had them in the first place.

Most effective environmentalist policy
The most effective way to protect the environment is to have a government that strictly enforces private property rights, and criminally punishes those that violate them. A property owner will not reduce his property to an unusable status. Having one-billionth of a share in public property will not inspire the protection of it. Jailing those that commit crimes against property (public and private) would be more effective then giving 9-figure slaps on the wrist to multi-billion dollar companies.

No, hald
A couple things... You typed:

"If you are out of ideas and arguments turn to lies LMAO."

Hm. Well, as Thomas rightly declares: "Only one side can be right on this, and ONLY one side wants to suppress debate."

That would be your side, hald. Now as far as your sexual preference:

What lie? I heard you were hitting on enlisted men. Given your fairyland positions on...EVERYTHING, and your girlish prepubescent habit of typing "lmao" in every sentence, it wasn't that hard to believe.

I have no doubt you are exactly what everyone says you are...kweer as a 3 dollar bill. Definitely unbalanced and confused at the very least.

And Honor? Bite your tongue, scumbag. You have no honor, hald. You are a lying gay remf.


"Logic" the Hal way
According to the GoreBull$h1t warming crowd:

- While the US government ALONE in just 2007 funneled more than $40 BILLION to those involved in the "global warming" scam, Exxon/Mobile spent about $14 million over a 10 year period funding contrary science. This means, of course, that those scientists who are global warming advocates are "true to science", whereas anyone who says anything contrary is "bought by big business"....Let me repeat: global warming nutcases received ***$40 BILLION*** JUST from the US government in 2007, while those of opposing views receive just $14 million over a 10 year period!

- General Electric spends more money lobbying congress for this "cap-and-trade" system than the largest 5 oil companies spend lobbying against it.

Again, remember, it's ONLY the REAL scientists who aren't taken in by the GorBull$h1t Warming crockery that are "owned by big business", though!

The FACT of the matter is that "global warming" has NEVER been about science. It has been ONLY about money and power. General Electric stands to make ***TRILLIONS*** of dollars from this "cap-and-trade" system, and the government stands to consume even more freedoms and power. THAT, ladies and gents, is what this is all about, and it is also why America-hating fascist pukes like Hal the Torturer are so in favor of it.

Thomas
"Date: Jun 30, 2009 - 9:49 AM EST....We are witness to the biggest scam in all of human history..."

my, my such drama LOL

"...It boils down to this...either ...., OR all of this is a bunch of hooey."

Seldom is anything completely black or white

"...The fact that the Left absolutely REFUSES to have a debate about any of this, ..."

There was a very lively debate. Now not so much it is considered settled science. Again a Noble for whoever can disprove it.

"...Only one side can be right on this, and ONLY one side wants to suppress debate."

No debate is being suppressed but it is in the science arena where the debate belongs

"...Same with Abortion, Torture, 'War Crimes' and the Sub-Prime Mortgage Crisis."

You want to argue for these?

"...Come 2010, unlike the Democrats, who only threaten to prosecute the 'criminals', we must back candidates who will ruthlessly hunt down these traitors and bring them to justice."

Bring it on

"..."What shall it profit a man if he should gain the whole world but lose his own soul."..."

Conservatives seem to have no soul

beowulfe
Logic and Hal the REREMF Lying Doofasss are mutually exclusive terms.

GunnyG-SFA1973-MPaddy-StD-Others
The Pillow Biter President GRABS HIS ANKLES and SUCKS up to Hal Drunkahue.


http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/06/30/obama-promises-c hampion-gay-rights/




Joe
"Date: Jun 30, 2009 - 10:12 EST
No, hald
A couple things... You typed:

"If you are out of ideas and arguments turn to lies LMAO."...Now as far as your sexual preference:

What lie? I heard you were hitting on enlisted men. Given your fairyland positions on...EVERYTHING, and your girlish prepubescent habit of typing "lmao" in every sentence, it wasn't that hard to believe..."

Believable to you or not it is an outright lie. the LMAO and LOL are me just reinforcing just how laughable I find your folks

"...I have no doubt you are exactly what everyone says you are...kweer as a 3 dollar bill. Definitely unbalanced and confused at the very least."

Of course you don't you are sheeple following the leader LOL. There is not a single thing wrong with being gay but it just so happens that I am not. The lies about my very honorable military career are just that but then you conservatives prove over and over again that you despise veterans and military unless they swallow your kool aid.

Hal
Please try harder.

Try being informed instead of just opinionated.

There's no equivocation when it comes to this topic....in this case there is absolutely a black or a white, a right or a wrong...you're wrong...again.

Don't
Even
Notice
I'm
Always
Lying

We will get justice on this, just like the New Haven Fire Fighters.

Stings, doesn't it...that's called the truth.

Hal

If you believe that your usage of LOL, LMAO, and ROTFLMAO ALL OF THE TIME is a sign of your intelligence and contempt of opposing views, then you are sorely mistaken.

Grow up, Valley Gal, Hal, grow up.

Thank you.

GunnyG-SFA1973-MPaddy-StD-Others

georgetwin
there is a new couseling service available to the trolls such as doofus.

They need to visit http://www.d*cksu*kersannonymous.com.

There are support groups that will life the doofus off his knees and teach him he can insert something else into his mouthy other than the messiah's appendage

Georgetwin, GunnyG, St. Denis et al
Maybe I'm mistaken about this, but I don't seem to recall having seen Anne in PA on this site lately.

Of course, for all I know, she could be on vacation and therefore taking a break from TownHall - just like I did the last week of May while I was on my Alaska cruise.

Hope she's not ill. Anyone know any background on this?

What are the consequences and results?
I'm not a climatologist but it seems to me that Obama's energy tax will cost the American family between 1200. and 7000, annually. That it will result in many losing their jobs and businesses. I just was told that part of the bill requires anyone selling their home having to have it inspected by a green team before they can sell. That gas will hit 5.00 a gallon and that virtually everything we buy, including food, will skyrocket in price. Now if these things that I've read are true, the public needs to be aware of them. Also, if China, South America, Africa etc. won't be abiding by the same global warming rules as America will it be worth it to destroy what little economy we have left?

StandsHisGround
I am sure GunnyG or someone in TH Chat has her email. If either entity reads this, how about a heads up on Anne.

binc

All that you wrote is correct. I might add that the Democrats in Congress want to slap stiff tariffs on imports from countries that do not have Cap-n-Trade systems. Obama, wisely and surprisingly, does not want to do this because it would start a trade war.

Perhaps, Congress needs to familarize itself with the effect on the US economy that Smooth-Hawley had in the Great Depression.

Standhisground
Interesting story on the local news last night. Due to the unusual wet and cool june we've had, yesterday was the first red air quality day in the Salt Lake Valley due to the heat. We get more red air quality days in the winter than in the summer due to the cold air being trapped in the valley. I'm posting a link to the story to let you know IMO how ridicoulous this sounds.

http://www.ksl.com/index.php?nid=148&sid=6987736

Settled Science?

The only people who consider global warming to be a "Settled science" are liberal loons who will latch on to any cause that makes them feel better about themselves and scientists who profit by backing the global warming craze.

There is very little scientific proof that man is responsible for the warming.

It is totally absurd that all the "warming" data the global warming wackjobs like to cite all says "in the last 30 years". In the late 70s the earth was in a cold patch. Time magazine was predicting an ice age. Wouldn't it stand to reason that it would seem like the earth was getting warmer as it returned to normal?

Not to mention the fact that it has actually been cooling the last couple of years.

Why is it that none of the "weather models" that these "scientists" confidently predict to be 100% accurate out to 100 years can even match whats happening over a 5 year period??

I find it hard to believe that these idiots who can't even tell us if it's going to rain in 3 days with any degree of accuracy can predict global trends years into the future.

Nothing is scarier than government funded stupidity.


I'll "one up" the Cyclist
Al Gore was scheduled to speak at a Global Warming seminar in Europe a few years ago and when he (Gore) discovered that environmental expert Bjorn Lomborg was expected to attend, Mr Gore suddenly cancelled his visit.

COWARD.

Kimbery writes:
Nothing is scarier than government funded stupidity.

Actually, Kimbery, there is, and that is there are people who believe the government funded stupidity.

Global Cooling
Didn't Congress get the news? Al Gore singlehandedly reduced the amount of sun spot activity and changed global warming into global cooling. He has even reversed a warming trend on Mars, so the evil rich will no longer have to pay their fair share of the huge cost for our government to remove all the SUVs from that planet. Al deserves another prize and a few more million dollars.

Comic relief
You tube video
Frank TV- Al Gore-Supernova

very funny!!!

Accountability!
"Who do these people think they are -- that they can claim a mandate to do anything they want to, that they can grab as much power as they want, that they can transform our government overnight into an enemy of the people, with no fear of accountability?"

In November 2010 and 2012... we will make them accountable!... If, hopefully, they haven't decided to do away with our voting rights by then.

Government funded stupidity
Probably the worst form of government funded stupidity is our socialist (government owned) schools. They promote all forms of additional stupidity such as "cap and trade".

As Charles Darwin should have said, "Unconstitutional (illegal) government schools are not the fittest and need the protection of a monopoly arrangement in order to survive."

All Goof
is the Global Warming/Climate Change Hypocrite Par Excellance. Just look at how much energy his Nashville mansion wastes, all those private jet flights he takes, and the number of gas guzzling limousines he uses to get around whatever city he happens to be in preaching about Global Warming/Climate Change.

No debate?
The fact that the left refuses to debate this subject tells the WHOLE story. Period.

Because anyone who REALLY has facts to support them DOES NOT FEAR DEBATE.

But, then, when you're dealing with a White House that can take a defeat like Sottomeyer being REVERSED and turn that around and say that only proves she was right (!!), I guess you can't hope to get any truth out at all.

Polar Bears - Part 1
RULING REVERSED!

POLAR BEARS CREATE CAMPAIGN UPROAR!


Washington, D.C.
-AP

In a surprise announcement today, U. S. Government spokesman Dimmitt Bumdas disclosed that the Department of the Interior has removed polar bears from the Endangered Species List. The move amounted to a reversal of action taken by the Department just days ago.

A somewhat sheepish Mr. Bumdas announced that “the whole thing was just a geographical oversight”. Questioned further by reporters, Mr. Bumdas stated that “the reduced number of bears recently observed in the Artic region apparently came as a result of a large number of the bears having stowed away in the cargo hold of a Carnival Cruise Lines vessel and traveling to the Yucatan peninsula of Mexico, where the creatures were discovered lounging on area beaches, slurping pina coladas, and raiding local fish markets”.

Bumdas called the behavior of the bears “perplexing and inexplicable”.

The Department of Interior spokesman then surprised those in attendance by proclaiming the need for a new federally funded program to “correct this disturbing problem”.

Interior is calling for the program, estimated to cost some $500 billion dollars over the next fifteen years, in order to corral the vacationing bears and return them to the Artic ice floes “where they are supposed to be”, according to Bumdas.

The plan includes, the spokesman said, a re-education component wherein polar bears will be taught by federal bear instructors to believe that “grouper and red snapper DO NOT taste just as good as salmon and seals”, and that “the idea that summering in the Yucatan is preferable to clambering about frigid Bering Sea ice floes is, well, simply misguided”.



Smog
In Cleveland, Ohio we always had days like these. It had something to do with the air not moving for too many days in the summer time. Pollution just made it worse. But I would say it is a natural phenomena. But as good communists we must use everything we have to promote Socialist Humanism in the world. Even the weather.

Polar Bears - Part 2
Underlining the significance of this developing story, Senator Barack Obama weighed in on the developing issue from the campaign trail in Oregon. Senator Obama met privately with reporters after speaking a campaign rally before some 850,000 supporters, where, incidentally, it was reported that more than 700,000 persons had to be revived after fainting.

Citing the plight of the bears as a sure sign of the hopelessness enveloping the entire Western Hemisphere, with the exception of parts of Cuba and Venezuela, Senator Obama called for sweeping change.

“These are typical white bears, clinging to their tropical drinks and seafood salads, who cannot be expected to understand what is needed to preserve their own well-being”, the handsome and dynamic young Senator declared. He then concluded his remarks by assuring the entranced reporters that “if elected in November, I will bring change that all bears can believe in”.

Late today, the controversy, now being called Beargate in some Washington circles, escalated further still when a supporter of the campaign of Republican Senator John McCain (R-AZ) joined the growing fray.

Alaskan Governor Bridgit Nowierre, a staunch supporter of Senator McCain in his bid for the presidency, questioned the sentiments underlying the statements by Senator Obama. “I object to the use of the term ‘typical white bears’ by SenatorObama”, the Governor declared. Ms. Nowierre concluded her remarks by proclaiming that “when elected, Senator McCain will equally represent black bears, brown bears, Kodiak bears, and yes, even Grizzlies”.



Pelosi Meet The US Senate
"And of course, the Senate, where you need 60 votes to end a filibuster, is a different manner of beast. Yes, Senate Democrats currently have 59 votes and seem likely to get a 60th from Minnesota. But there may already be as many as eight Democrats ready to vote against Pelosi’s creation. And as unemployment continues to rise, climate change may sink further down the list of American voters’ priorities and that of centrist senators."

And, four more reasons Pelosi's bill will have a hard time getting through the Senate:

http://blogs.reuters.com/james-pethokoukis/2009/06/30/pelos i-a-vision-in-white-but-not-green/

Polar Bears - Conclusion
Meanwhile, reports have arrived from our correspondent dispatched to the scene in Mexico. Associated Press International correspondent Felix Goode spoke to one polar bear he encountered lying near the surf outside the port city of Progreso. Speaking with our reporter between sips of a Corona Light, and while snacking on a mackerel, the bear, who identified himself only as “Whitey”, seemed surprised at all of the attention. “I certainly didn’t mean to cause a big fuss”, the animal explained. Asked by the reporter why he and his fellow bears decided to come to Mexico, the creature stated flatly that “it seemed like a good idea at the time”. The indolent animal then borrowed a pair of sunglasses and a bottle of sunscreen from our correspondent, crawled under a coconut palm, and fell asleep.

Additional reporters have been assigned to this story as the controversy grows to worldwide proportions. We promise to keep our readers abreast of new developments just as soon as further information becomes available.

THIS JUST IN!
Consumer confidence down.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Gloomy-US-consumers-clip-rb-2 688130524.html?x=0&.v=1

Comrade Soetoro's fault.

Where is the lib's outrage on this!?

THE ANTI LIBERAL ZONE
has the suppressed DRAFT EPA report by Alan Carlin.

No WONDER Comrade Soetoro ordered it suppressed. It DESTROYS the gloBULL warming moron's stance.

Click on my handle to check it out.

HEY LIBSTAINS
Here are some questions on Comrade Soetoro we want answered.

1. Why did he lose his license to practice law?

2. Where are his records from Harvard?

3. Where are his Columbia U records?

4. Why did Barry go to the middle east in 1981 and what nation's passport did he use?

5. Did Barry get scholarships as a foreign student?

6. Did he commit fraud to get those foreign student scholarships?

IMPEACH COMRADE SOETORO FOR FRAUD!

IF YOU
have access to a hot shower, check this out.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az =view_all&address=102x3939201#3944468

This is how the liberals live and think in their cocoonesque world.

No wonder Hal the REMF and his crew are loony tunes.

Hey GunnyG
I agree your questions for Barry S. are valid, but I can't help but see the humor in you asking them.
The use of the liberal diversion tactic while perhaps not intentional, it did make this conservative laugh... Valid questions, but off topic diversion.. HA HA !!!

We will never see the answers or data for any of your questions, until BO pisses someone off that is covering for him.. It's gonna happen!!!

On the TTAPS Study- Part I
In 1983, one of the most important scientific breakthroughs in human history was achieved. This breakthrough was revelaed by Carl Sagan in a live, heated debate with William F. Buckley, which was broadcast after the premiere showing of the television movie The Day After. It was here that Sagan introduced the concept of a nuclear winter. Sagan also discussed nuclear winter in an article published by Parade magazine. ""Nuclear Winter: Global Consequences of Multiple Nuclear Explosions", also known as the TTAPS study, was published in Science.

According to the TTAPS study, much of the dust raised by nuclear explosions would end up suspended above the troposphere, which is the lower part of the atmosphere. This would reflect some sunlight back into space, and thus lower global temperatures. The study concluded that a five thousand megaton nuclear exchange can cause a temperature drop of about eighty-four degrees Fahrenheit.

This was truly a historic paper, along the lines of Einstein's "On the Electrodynamics of Moving Bodies" and Darwin's "Origin oof the Species". Clearly, dust in the upper atmosphere would plunge temperatures, and humanity had the capacity to reduce temperatures by eighty-four degrees with existing technology. This was reiterated in the book The Cold and the Dark: The World After Nuclear War, written by Paul R. Ehrlich, Carl Sagan, Donald Kennedy, and Walter Orr Roberts.

On the TTAPS Study- Part II
It was about ten years after that when another threat was discussed. This time, it dealt with warming temperatures cuased by increased carbon dioxide emissions. Rising temperatures would cause droughts in California, floods in Bangladesh, cause polar bears to be extinct, cause tropical diseases to spread, all sorts of calamities. Vice President Al Gore presented this in his movie An Inconvenient Truth, for which he won a Nobel prize. And all of this is supposed to result from an increase of two degrees.

It is clear, therefore, that if humanity can reduce global temperatures by eighty-four degrees, they can reduce global temperatures by a mere two degrees.

The threat of global warming resulted in the House of Representatives passing a bill dealing with this. Surely, we can expect dust to be injected in the upper atmosphere to reduce sunlight, perhaps even seeing mushroom clouds rise up once again at the Nellis test site.

Except that the bill does not propose the obvious solution. Instead, it enacts a cap and trade system, which would impose higher taxes, thus raising energy costs in an attempt to reduce carbon dioxide emissions.

GunnyG
Where do the Liberal Vermin store the bags of shite they throw at the police? WHY would anyone store shite? Of course to pillow biter liberal trolls, a turd is like Chanel #5.

On the TTAPS Study- Part III
One must wonder why this is being proposed as the solution, instead of blanketing the upper atmosphere with dust. In fact, it seems the TTAPS study was erased from the government's consciousness. There is, in fact, no proof that reducing carbon dioxide emissions would reduce global temperatures. Clearly, the most obvious solution to this threat to human civilization is being deliberately ignored in favor of some complex regulatory scheme which would destroy the economy.

It is here that we get into the crux of the matter. The environmentalist lobby is not about saving the environment, but destroying Western industrial civilization. The Kyoto treaty, which was about reducing carbon dioxide emissions, was only aimed at Western industrial nations. This war on global warming is really a war on Western industrial civilization.

"Deer in the headlights" look...
... is bound to be the response if you ask an AGW worshiper the following question:

"What is the ideal global temperature - and who determined it?"

What is happening today is no different than the "coming ice age" theory of the 70's, except that the flower children of the 70's that never grew up are in positions of so-called "power" today - and therefore have greater influence on the media.

The proof of this lies in the cooling period the globe has been undergoing these past 11 years - and the need for the proponents to change the debate from "global warming" to "global climate change".

They state the obvious - that our climate is NOT static - yet expect thinking adults to have a reaction other than, "Well, duh!"

AGW is the greatest fraud of the 21st Century (so far) - but I have high hopes that Obama will somehow come up with one even greater.

And Hal Donahue will wash his feet...

Thanks Libs
I am serious. I want to thank Hal, and lilly, zapaadoot, and that wonderful lil gem Mrs.

You psychotic deranged ramblings are the high part of my day. I enjoy many of the columnists articles here, but you rabid, frothing at the mouth liberals, who post here provide me with so much free entertainment. Always the best laugh of the day found in the comments here. Keep up the Good work Hal and company. You are truly a credit to your species.

I know better than to read the comments
but do it anyway. This article is dead on and all the lefties can do is climb up on their arrogant, "i am so much smarter than you stupid conservatives", condensending stools and reach out an pat us on the head and laugh. No documented support of an argument against the article; just name calling, or arrogant poo pooing of what is written. The lefties that post on here prove the words of the article by their response. Ideology trumps actual science. I am glad all you leftist fools are so happy to destroy the economy in order to satisfy your ideology. I hope you are the first ones fired, tossed out of your homes or in bankrupcy court because your power bills and the cost of goods and sevices exceeded your income (if you have jobs). You love Europe so much even though the US's economy has squashed every other society in the World. You are doing your damnedest to make us into the losers that Europe is. I don't know why. People are risking life and limb to come here for economic opportunities and you are working your fool butts off to destroy it. I know you claim that you are not, that it will be better under Marxist rule; but now I can get on my stool and pat you on the head and say "one day you will understand".

baseballfan
Thanks for the kudos.

I like to stay well-practiced on the use of Alinsky tactics right back on the libvermin. I get a lot of enjoyment out of beating them at their own game. Unfortunately, the irony of it usually ricochets off of their pointy moonbats heads.

scott
I could not agree more. I get a kick out pof the mating habits of Mario (today's handle Camus) who desperately tries to "hook up" with Hal the REMF. It's no wonder their species is riddled with STD's and other diseases what with their need for "hooking up."

The rabid posts of moonbats like Sophie, Hal, tr, Camus, etc, ALWAYS let us and the columnist(s) know that our bomb load fell "dead center."

skywalker81
I have the draft of Carlin's EPA report that D*MNS globull warming for the scam it is and not ONE LIBTURD has managed to address it yet. Click on my handle to check it out AND download it. (Before ACORN censors it.)

For y'alls enjoyment
Here's a unfinished parody I played around with this morning. It goes to the tune of Gilligan's Island.

Just sit right back and you’ll hear a tale,
A tale of a graceless b_tch
Who blew our dough and increased our debt
Every time she got an itch

She was real proud of America
For electing the sail-eared p*mp,
Who, without his teleprompter,
was a stupid, stuttering gimp

He f*cked up the economy
And millions of jobs were lost
But still the b_tch stood by her man
Though we wished he would get lost


Hey Guns! Have you heard
about the Lootenant Kernal's latest misadventure? The pride of Scranton Pa is organizing a posse to fly down to Dallas with him on George Soro's private jet. The mission is to put former President George Bush under citizen's arrest. The Kernal is so sure that this will be successful that he has bribed some of the MSM and Huffpo beauties to go with him wearing their bikinis. Their mission is to seduce the Secret Service detail thus allowing the arrest to be carried without any problems.
They will then fly to the Hague on Soro's jet.

Tell me honestly Guns! Will this work?

gunny g
I see you stand four square against the beauty of true love and personal happiness.

Now you will find that you won't get an invite to the coming nuptials.

It will be a flaming spectacular with both brides decked out in hot pink surrounded by flower throwing queens and plenty of barry manilow crooning love ballads to his fellow sexually confused guests.

But if you do get the engraved invite, be sure to take your camera, the photos would be priceless

willibeaux
HAHA!

Let's hope that "Wrongway" Corriganis flying their plane and after they crash land in Alaska, all we hear is a loud "BURP" from some grizzlies!

Hey Cactus! Whose
nuptials are you talking about?
Have you seen where the Lootenant Kernal considers himself to be an "honorable military man"? How hilarious!!!

ORIGINAL CACTUSHEAD
Thank GOD I'll miss that nightmare. I'd be reaching for a radio to call in a JDAM!

No Gus! The
Lootenant Kernal will be in the left hand seat. He is such a great navigator that he will probably crash land in the Amazon having run out of fuel.

Come on
Cactus! Satisfy my curiosity. Whose nuptials?

What excuse
will the traitor eight have IF the evidence is as we believe and when will this investigation begin? Or can it begin when the DemonRAT thugs own the majority? They've blocked any kind of representative government already.

It would be very interesting to have a list of
all the bribes, etc that got them to turn against the American people.
And also list of all the elected's who will make tons of cash on this scam..we know Nazi and asgore are raking it in. It does explain why Nazi was so determined to prevent a debate on domestic drilling, going so far as to shut the Capitol down in the middle of a Republican
special orders?
Name names
Name profits There was a time when media wasn't in bed with politicians and we'd get the answers to these questions.
How much besides unlimited power will Obama and his Chitown crimnal cabal be making off this
crap and traitor bill?

BOHICA BABY
ANOTHER Obomunist outing Comrade Barry!

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124631646572370703.html

Someone check and see if Altman is still alive or if Barry's brownshirts are on the way to his house.

willibeaux
May they ditch in pirahna infested waters. After all, they gotta eat too.

williboy
I was referring to the love affair between the doofus and mario

Gunny, cactus,Curtal Friar, et al...
Please show proper respect for Hal as he is evidently a Very Important Person.

Why, just last week he was simultaneously "filming" and doing some very high-level lobbying work in Harrisburg!

There's Already Talk

About repealing the 22nd Amendment so that Obama could be Dictator* For Life?

Earlier today, Andrea Mitchell and others at MSNBC were discussing the virtues of Dictators-for-Life and centralized planning.**

Even Akagi wrote yesterday that Obama would be in office, at least, through 2016.

* Notice that Obama sides with the dictators. Ahmadinejad & the Mullahs in the Iranian conflict and Chavez and Castro relative to Honduras' ouster of its president, who wanted to be President-for-Life.

** Too bad that neither Stalin nor the millions of Ukrainians, who are all dead, because they could tell you that centralized planning means death.

WATCH
Comrade Barry's mouthpiece do the Comrade Barry stutter and sputter.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pTmkB3NUL6Y&feature=player_e mbedded

The laughter at this boob is awesome.

St. Denis In Obama's Red America
About repealing the 22nd Amendment so that Obama could be Dictator* For Life?

THAT would be cause to revolt.

So What???
In the worlds of politics and science, people disagree about things. Sometimes people disagree about things that, for most of the population, dissension seems foolish -not because of the fear of confrontation or some vast conspiracy of mind-control, but because the facts observable show an overwhelmingly apparent truth and most people find it obvious. (i.e. some people may think the world is flat but we don't really hear from them too much because we all know they are sh!t nuts). So you guys are gunning against an international consensus of scientists armed with 9,000 PhD petition and rumors of a EPA report?? Nine thousand people with science PhDs just spit out their morning coffee laughing at your idiocy.

Gunny...
Your outstanding policy idea of last week regarding feeding libs to the polar bears?

I would propose a couple of ammendments. First boil the liberals down, rendering the fat, and use the resulting oil to fire electrical generation plants. Then grind the remaining protein and feed to the polar bears. Liberals who are too skinny to provide a minimal amount of fat and protein could be harnessed to rickshaws to haul the rest of us around.

Multiple benefits:

-fewer liberals
-more polar bears
-reduced dependence on imported oil
-reduced emissions from "dirty" caol-fired plants
-reduced C02 emissions from liberals

Your Obedient Servant,

George Washington

If You Care
about your country please go to a tea party this coming weekend

jeramy
You are the poster child for the herd mentality of the left.

"So you guys are gunning against an international consensus of scientists armed with 9,000 PhD petition and rumors of a EPA report??"

So if 9,000 people say you should jump off of a cliff you're gonna do it?

Liberals = sheeple.

george washington
nice.

Now THAT is an amendment I can live with. haha

willibeaux
You said, "The pride of Scranton Pa is organizing a posse to fly down to Dallas with him on George Soro's private jet. The mission is to put former President George Bush under citizen's arrest. The Kernal is so sure that this will be successful that he has bribed some of the MSM and Huffpo beauties to go with him wearing their bikinis. Their mission is to seduce the Secret Service detail thus allowing the arrest to be carried without any problems. They will then fly to the Hague on Soro's jet".

Several months ago, I urged the Kernal to do JUST this: after one of his posts expressing his aching desire to see George Bush in The Hague, I told him that if Obama wouldn't accomodate that wish by ordering the arrest and extradition of Bush HIMSELF in response to an indictment issued against Bush by the World Court, that I'm not aware of anything stopping the Kernal from trying to do the job himself as a private citizen, a la Dog The Bounty Hunter. As an inducement, I ALSO promised him that we conservatives who come here to TownHall would be VERY HAPPY to pay for a very nice funeral for him in Scranton after the Secret Service sends what's left of him back home in a box after such an attempt.

By the way, at that time, I asked the Kernal directly whether he would approve of the forced extradition to The Hague of any of our top military commanders from the Iraqi and Afghan theaters of war if the World Court issued the EXACT SAME indictments against these military men that the Kernal would be all in favor of Obama enforcing against George Bush were they issued against Bush. He refused to give me either a straight "yes" or a straight "no" to the question. It was then that I decided that the Kernal was an unserious person unworthy of any more direct dialogue from me - because there's no reason why an authentic military person can't give a straight yes or no answer to such a question.

Polar bear expert barred
by global warmests.

from http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/christopherb ooker/5664069/Polar-bear-expert-barred-by-global-warmists.h tml

Dr Mitchell Taylor has been researching the status and management of polar bears in Canada and around the Arctic Circle for 30 years, as both an academic and a government employee. More than once since 2006 he has made headlines by insisting that polar bear numbers, far from decreasing, are much higher than they were 30 years ago.

george washington
Hey, long time no see.

You should come back to the chatroom sometime.

COMRADE BARRY's AGENDA
Slightly off-topic but it meshes with Comrade Barry's agenda.

Question: What does Barry REALLY stand for?

Answer: Quite obviously not Freedom, Liberty, or Democracy.

Why not?

a. North Korea launches a missile and it takes Barry and the UN five days to respond.

b. Iran holds fraudulent elections, kills protesters and it takes over a WEEK before Barry can stand up and say that he is "concerned" about the situation.

c. Iran poses a great threat to a historical ally in the Mideast–Israel, and all Barry can mewl is: "stop building settlements!"

d. The Hondurans try to uphold their constitution and laws of the land from being trampled by a Chavez stooge and Barry whines about the Rule of Law and sides with the gang of four! Chavez, Castro, the UN, and Hitlery Klintoon.

e. Where was this decisiveness when Kim Jong Ill decided that he was going to launch missiles toward Hawaii on the Fourth of July?

Kinda makes one wonder when this bumbling idiot is gonna try and pull a Zelaya on us?

GunnyG
No, if the overwhelming majority of scientific data support a particular model, I don't discount it because it is economically inconvenient.

A sheep is someone who follows orders.
A scientist is someone who follows evidence.
A christian conservative is someone who ignores science.

GunnyG
"St. Denis In Obama's Red America
About repealing the 22nd Amendment so that Obama could be Dictator* For Life?

THAT would be cause to revolt."

Damn right.

St. Denis
How would the Democrats propose to get around the annoying requirement that in order to repeal a constitutional amendment, like the 22nd, they first have to get, I believe it is, a 2/3 (or maybe it's 3/4, I don't remember EXACTLY which) majority vote in BOTH houses of Congress for a NEW amendment repealing a prior one (like the 21st Amendment repealed the 18th) - and then a 3/4 vote of the 50 state legislatures (which I can assure you they would NEVER get if the attempted repeal of the 22nd happens during the Obama Administration)?

BWHAHAHAHAHAHAAHA!
Franken the senator of Minnesota!

ACORN claims an election fraud victory!

One more step towards the abyss for the Dummycrat party.

http://img.wonkette.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/franken_ diaper.jpg

Al Franken....COME ON DOWN!

BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA!

John
"Scientists have offered clear and repeatedly proven findings regarding climate change."

No, they haven't. Assertions made very loudly or passionately do not constitute any sort of proven finding.

"Some of the best NASA scientists (like Hansen - do you know about him, little Rush?) have successfully predicted the severity and the shape of changes to come."

No, he hasn't, and no, they haven't. Their predictions have all spectacularly failed. That is why "global warming" was renamed "climate change," and why debate has recently reignited on the subject. The Australians looked into the issue and just now rejected the theory and cap-and-trade legislation.

"Satellite data, polar and glacier cores' examinations, etc etc etc..."

No, the "actual data" turned out to be "actual calculations." I am not kidding. Global warmers recently tried to pass of calculations as actual temperature measurements. then they refused to release the formula. These crazy nature religionists are very aggressive in their scientific fraud, because they believe that the ends justifies the means, that you should be saving the planet anyway, so what does it matter if they lie to you to get you to do the right thing? It's not like they are going to experience any legal or academic consequences for it. The system rewards them for making absurd claims and producing "results" that support their ideology.

Which is why outside of national defense, there should be no government-funded research.

Gunny
Would you have us invade Iran, North Korea and Honduras? We don't need any more wars, we have enough problems here at home.

GunnyG
Part of me almost wishes that Obama WOULD try pulling a Zelaya on us. Given the PRESENT demographics of the military, what do you think are the chances that the U.S. military as presently constituted would willingly carry out such an attempt? I think Obama, instead of ending up like Mr. Zelaya, would much more likely end up like Mr. Trujillo of the Dominican Republic or Mr. Ceauceasceau of Romania.

Of course, the Bard of Scranton believes the military would blindly go along with WHATEVER orders Obama may issue it - REGARDLESS of what he may order it to do. But I think that given the worldview of those who presently are the vast majority of the military, if Obama tried to force them to become an American SS, I think they would turn on him.

This is why Obama would need his Civilian National Security Force - and THAT is the much better instrument for him to try pulling a Zelaya on the United States with.

Czar Carol "Greener" Browner

Was, up until Obama announced her as his choice to be Energy Czar, a member of an Environmental Socialist group. They believe that the globe should be divided into three sections. Under this scenario, the US would be granted the same emissions as Haiti would be given. Thus, we would get a Haitian economy.

Further, this group is convinced that global harmony can be achieved by "Peace Through Green"!

Now, you tell that to India, China, 3rd world countries, and the nuts with nukes or wannabees.

What a joke!


Jerry, make sure that you called for a HAZMAT team in the event that you break an incandescent FedBulb. Oh, and you might want to read my earlier posts.

Standshisground
I was reading where Barry the Bonehead was asking for volunteers from the NatGuard to patrol along the southern border. I'm betting VERY FEW volunteer for this clown.

Liberals are not liked in the military. Way too much history of them backstabbing us. ABSCAM Murtha for one, Barry for another, and the rest of the libstains for three.

Punch drunk
When will America wake up and stop playing by the Marquis of Queensbury rules.

They are stacking the deck dangerously close to a position of complete and total control over every aspect of our lives.

Crap N trade ? Obama's death care plan ?
I wont be bringin a pitchfork to that fight.

jeramy
so another victim shows up to tell us how much he supports flap ears and his love of leftists dictators.

No on e is advocating going to war in any country. But your messiah quickly sides with dictators who already have no problem killing their own citizens.

Seems that just like obamarxist you stand fully against people who want freedom from the dictators they live under.

But that is no surprise. To love and support the messiah as kooks like you only proves how much you hate america

And just like flap ears you fully believe the globull warming scam as pusjed by alldull on his way to accumulating $billion fortune pushing snake oil

Stands
"How would the Democrats propose to get around the annoying requirement that in order to repeal a constitutional amendment, like the 22nd, they first have to get, I believe it is, a 2/3 (or maybe it's 3/4, I don't remember EXACTLY which) majority vote in BOTH houses of Congress for a NEW amendment repealing a prior one (like the 21st Amendment repealed the 18th) - and then a 3/4 vote of the 50 state legislatures (which I can assure you they would NEVER get if the attempted repeal of the 22nd happens during the Obama Administration)?"


He cannot, but he might try.

BTW, the military would NOT follow his orders. An out for the military has always been failure to carry out an illegal act.

Blood would run in the streets. Military and sane citizens against the brownshirts.

Kent State II in reverse anyone?

ORIGINAL CACTUSHEAD
Liberals are too stupid to admit they made a mistake with Comrade Barry. it's why they keep making the SAME OLD mistakes over and over again.

tax and spend appease tax and spend appease tax and spend

I Meant Jeramy

Not Jerry, but he should read them as well.

Hi Curtal Friar!
Yes, it has been quite a while.

I've been working in Costa Rica for a few months, helping out a client with business interests down there (cutting down the rain forests, heh, heh!).

I've lost the chat room site info...

...resend to eduhick57@yahoo.com, huh?

GW

jeramy
I challenge you to go to my blog and READ the draft EPA report by Carlin that EXPOSES globull warming for the hoax it is. 100 pages. You can download it.

BTW, it's the draft that you messiah ordered suppressed before the Crap and Tax bill was passed.

St. Denis In Obama's Red America
The military oath is to support and defend the CONSTITUTION not a wannabe DICKtator.

GunnyG & St. Denis
GunnyG:

You said, "Liberals are not liked in the military".

EXACTLY what I've suspected and EXACTLY what I'm counting on were Obama foolish enough to contemplate trying to use our military to abrogate the Constitution - especially its provisions for national elections.

St. Denis:

Totally agreed that our CURRENT military - and indeed, a sizable number of the American people - would rise up against Obama if he tried to order the military to do something flagrantly unconstitional to try to establish himself as a despot. And I think that the vast majority of the blood that would be running in the streets after such an attempt would be that of Obama's SUPPORTERS.

And again, this is why he'll need to do either one of two things, or both: either try to pack the military with people who support him (yeah, good luck with THAT, as if liberals will volunteer en masse for the military, and if he re-imposes a draft, many liberals will hot-foot it to Europe or Canada upon getting their draft notices) - or else create an alternate force which WOULD do his unconstitutional bidding: the Civilian National Security Force.

Invention of Number
"So you guys are gunning against an international consensus of scientists armed with 9,000 PhD petition and rumors of a EPA report?"

A few years ago the number was 3000 (based on the number of scientists giving the IPCC thier input, of which less than 300 were acual climate scientists or atmospheric scientists). Later, the MSM was floating 21000 scientists, but most of them backed off when a few scientists who were actually named, complained that thier names were just coopted. Now it is 9000.

The problem with 9,000 is that there aren't 9000 climate scientists in the world that hold PHDs; ditto for atmospheric scientists. As a matter of fact, the majority of the scientists who sign these petitions are enviormental scientists. Enviormental Scientists when compared to physicists or engineers are like the old 90 day wonders during Vietnam. They may have the title, but are considered jokes.


Any American citizen

can oppose obama signed legislation and when the feds take him/her to court the defense can be that the law under which they are being charged is not binding because obama did not have the authority to make it binding.

Heres what we do know.

The earth has heated and cooled many times without regard to Green House Gases.

The Polar Ice Caps on Mars are also melting.

This current Global Warming prediction is based upon computer models. When they add data from the last 100 years into the computer modeling program and attempt to predict today's (2009) temperatures, they always,(100% of the time), come up wrong in favor of predicting too high a temperature.

Scientist are researchers. The primary source of funding to do research comes from Government.

Researchers saleries are based on how much money is available for research.

To get more research dollars you have to be researching something deemed politically important.

Create a politically correct crisis and more research dollars will follow.

Scientist do say "there is global warming". They add, "It is most likely caused by human activity". They never say which human activities" Could be green house gases, could be loss of Green space like farms and wooded areas, too many black top roofs and highways, coult be burning down Rain Forrest at the equator.

Only Wacko enviormentalist jump on the conclusion that Global Warming is caused by Green House Gases even though the science does not support that claim.

So according to Liberals, we should drive up our costs, shut down more factories and send more jobs to China. Displace workers from one industry and start lower paying jobs installing solar panels and windmills.

The world according to Liberals.

joel de oppresso
while I have never served in the military I understand how things work.

And even if flap ears were to put together some form of internal security force to enforce his wishes I would ask who would set of the chain of command and how would it communicate to those doing the actual work to enforce flap ears dictates.

On the other hand I see you are just another who has been labeled as extremist by nappy. In other words a patriot who has served this country.

These days however there are growing numbers of citizens like me who even though we lack military expertise are getting familiar handling fire arms just in case.

And we know that whereas we might not help as experienced defenders of liberty fully understand we can be support people who can do the odd jobs that frees patriots to do the job they have been trained to do.

Mario the fla loon has written that he is stockpiling guns and arms to go after conservs when ordered by the messiah.

Personally I hope he requests a duty station here in az. There are large numbers of citizens here willing to fight to defend the constitution

Gunny
Repealing the 22 is in full swing.

See H.J. Res. 5

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d111:h.j.res.00005:

GunnyG-CFriar-GW-StD-SHGround-Others
Once when Obama was living in the projects, he was invited to a Halloween Party. He didn’t have any money for a costume. So he dressed like he normally would, put a potato down his pants and went to the party. People asked him what his costume was and he said, “I’m a Dicktater!”

Anyone Want To Take A Whack...

At what the pre-Amendment XXII, FDR, called his "Czars"?

DICATORS.

Ooops!

I meant DICTATORS.

Krugman how dare you
How dare you call my point of view TREASONOUS. The house decides to pass a bill that will raise my utility rates and KILL JOBS, and they DIDN'T even read the dam thing, and you call MY point of view TREASONOUS for opposing it?

How DARE you claim to be on the side of science when you CLEARLY ignore the VERY scientific foundational principle of DISSENT and DEBATE.

Krugman, shut your pie hole and trade your brain in for one that actually works. How's THAT for cap and trade?

What's REALLY disgusting
Is how congress CHEERED as they passed this MASSIVE job killer. Here they are, voting to put HARD working people out of work, based on a thousand pages they didn't read, and they're CHEERING.

I'd LOVE to see them cheer and clap RIGHT when those coal plants close down and put hard working Americans out of work.

Hey, there's a 2010 political ad for ya.

Cap and Trade Kills Jobs
How's that for change? Change from HAVING a job to NOT having a job.

NALcoba

Even the far-Left Liberal economist, Paul Krugman, said that there would be no net increase in jobs

GunnyG
St. Denis In Obama's Red America
The military oath is to support and defend the CONSTITUTION not a wannabe DICKtator.

I know that and so is the Presidential Oath.

Oh dear
Look at all the little anti-American traitors. LMAO joel the loon, Denis the Frenchie, gummyg the sad little man all have their knickers in a tight little twist wanting a military coup or someone to save them from the oh so liberal (or is it oh so black) president. Throw out the last election and throw out the elected president we need to destroy the constitution to save it? Is this you party line LOL?

You incompetents are a laugh. LMAO

Hal the REREMF Lying Doofasss
Oh dear Look at all the little anti-American traitors, starting with you, killer, jeramy, and john.