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Tuesday, June 30, 2009
Phyllis Schlafly :: Townhall.com Columnist
Massachusetts Health Care: A Model Not to Copy
by Phyllis Schlafly
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The Obama-Kennedy health plan is modeled after the Massachusetts plan, which, when adopted, many applauded as innovative and destined for success. In fact, the Massachusetts plan has been a massive failure and is a model for what not to do.

It has increased costs. It has wasted taxpayer dollars. It has limited patients' choice. It has hurt small business. It has failed to achieve its goal of universal coverage. Most objectionable, it has created shortages and waiting lists.

Promoters predicted that the Massachusetts plan would lower health-care costs, but -- so far -- costs are moving in the opposite direction. State government spending on health-care programs in Massachusetts has increased by 42 percent since the plan was adopted in 2006 and currently is 33 percent above the national average.

Advocates promised that the Massachusetts plan would make health insurance more affordable, but according to a Cato study, insurance premiums have been increasing at nearly double the national average: 7.4 percent in 2007, 8 percent to 12 percent in 2008, and an expected 9 percent increase this year. Health insurance in Massachusetts costs an average of $16,897 for a family of four, compared to a national average of $12,700.

The Massachusetts plan incorporates a system of middle-class subsidies called Commonwealth Care to help pay for insurance for families with incomes up to 300 percent of poverty level ($66,150 for a family of four) and also expanded eligibility for Medicaid.

The Massachusetts Connector, a new bureaucracy that was supposed to increase patient choice, has become an overbearing regulatory arm of government that has decreased competition by prescribing benefits insurance must offer. The Connector is evidently unpopular with patients, since only 18,000 people have used the Connector to buy insurance during the past three years.

The Connector has imposed regulations that add to the cost of insurance and limit consumer choice, such as requiring prescription-drug coverage and preventive-care services, restricting high-deductible policies and putting limits on annual or per-sickness policies. Complying with the Connector's rules means changing from your current insurance that you like.

The costs to the taxpayers are rising, too, and one tax increase has not satisfied the appetite of the hungry plan. The prospect of huge deficits has elicited discussion of cuts in reimbursements to providers and the imposition of a "global budget," which is a euphemism for rationing.

Even though Massachusetts has more doctors per capita than any other state, the Boston Globe reports that waiting periods to see physicians have grown. The average wait is now 63 days to see a family doctor, 50 days to see a specialist and the second trimester of pregnancy to see an obstetrician-gynecologist.

If you want to see the busiest, most popular physicians, the wait can be up to a year. The longer waits are the result of thousands of newly insured residents coming into the health-care system.

Massachusetts has reduced the number of uninsured, but there are no reliable figures on how many are still uninsured since some statistics are based on telephone surveys that don't reach significant groups of people who lack landline telephones (such as young people and illegal aliens). Cato estimates that 200,000 are still uninsured.

If the number of uninsured had been measurably reduced, that should be reflected in the use of hospitals' emergency care facilities for uncompensated care. But hospitals don't confirm this effect.

Small business is hurting, too. The Small Business and Entrepreneurship Council ranks Massachusetts last of all the 50 states for business-friendly health-care policies.

A June 21 front-page article in The New York Times reported that one cancer unit in a Philadelphia Veterans Administration hospital bungled 92 of 116 prostate cancer treatments over six years (requiring these patients to undergo a second operation) before the errors were discovered. The real problem is that the government cannot run health care safely (or cheaper).

Canada is another model of what not to do. It's fortunate that Canada is so close to the United States because Canadians rely on American medicine for serious surgery.

De facto rationing in Canada is practiced by waiting lists rather than by using its realistic name. The Globe and Mail in Toronto reports that the physician shortage is so acute that some towns hold lotteries to win a ticket granting access to the local doctor and that Ontario sent 160 patients to New York and Michigan for emergency neurosurgery between 2006 and 2008.

Although President Obama told the American Medical Association that single-payer (government-controlled) health care works "pretty well" in some other countries, no government has ever been able to run a health-care system as well as private enterprise. Less regulation of health care, not more government control, is the way to healthier Americans and lower costs.

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Phyllis Schlafly is a national leader of the pro-family movement, a nationally syndicated columnist and author of Feminist Fantasies.
 
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Excellent posts
Excellent posts, both. I have always longed to tell these politicians that the way to heaven is not through spending someone else's money.

Not the plan it was and would have been
I don't think I saw you mention Mitt Romney in your report, but he has pointed out that there were many things that the legislature did at the time it was implemented and since then that have changed this program that have made it unsuccessful. Too bad you haven't pointed out things the liberal legislature did at the time and has done since to make it unsuccessful. Your article would have more credibility with me.

MA is the CA
And that ain't good! Had it not been for Romney, MA would be bankrupt. They will be soon. In the meantime, slavery is the new catchphrase.

To understand the liberal mind, read more here at http://www.theblacksphere.net You will be HOOKED.

WRONG
Schafly is wrong that private enterprise is best at running a health care system. We have been trying it in the US for many decades now and it has failed us miserably.

It has failed due to the very fact that millions are driven into financial ruin for an illness they could not have anticipated or avoided, which only happens here and in NO other developed country.

Tell me that the richest country in the world thinks it is not a failure that this happens. For all the shortcomings of other countries' systems, they don't let THAT happen.

For every story about a Canadian who comes to the US for surgery, tell the stories about the many Americans (those who can afford it; the others go without) who go to countries like Thailand, India, or Mexico for surgery. And tell the stories about the many in the US who NEVER get the treatment they need because of our corrupt system based on your vaunted private enterprise.

THAT is how we ration. We ration far more than ANY other country, so enough of the nonsense about other countries rationing care. They ration because of inadequate money in their systems, not because of the fact that it is nationalized.

Of course the Mass. system is running out of money. It was a foregone conclusion that it would. The reason? Because it is still allowing the private insurance industry to play a dominant role, and continue to siphon off about a third of total expenses.

The cure to this problem? Eliminate the private insurance industry from the health care transaction. They provide no useful product or service.

Phyllis
I have always found it rather difficult to understand Americans. America is the only "Developed Country" that allows prescription drugs to be advertised. It shows, that health care in America is controlled by the Drug Companies, Doctors and the Health Care industry. America spends too much time and money on the "Old",it is a waste. The present attempt to revolutionize health care, must remove health from the hands of the greedy. Young people should not buy health insurance! This will have economic consequences, in that Insurance companies would have fewer people as clients. Less demand should produce greater supply.Why do young,healthy people give away their wealth, when they should be benefiting from it. Clinics are all the young need. If something serious is discovered,there are many great county hospitals. America must change the way it looks at health. "Survival of the Fittest" is a part of Capitalism,let it work. At some point in the future, Massachusetts and America will have a healthier citizenry. Cutting cost in half for the next generation,is the real profit...

America's medical rating
I saw an article a couple of weeks ago about America's medical rating. Interestingly enough it had been mentioned by several liberal people as well. According to some group (can't remember the name and don't care to try) we are 27th in the world.

BUT - and a big BUT too - they rate the medical programs of countries on five things. Only ONE of the items is on medical care - which America ranks as No. 1 by a large margin. The other four items they rank have to do with the government that runs their programs. So obviously we rank lower since our government doesn't run the medical program here - yet.

I prefer to stay with No. 1 medical care rather than try for a good government program.

re: foxyloxy
Our current system is not actually based on a competitive free market. Rather, we still have the WW2-era relic of employer-provided health care, plus the much caused by too much government intervention. Provide the individual with the tax credit to go buy the health insurance that is best for him and his family, and create a real market where companies have to compete for your business. Then, just like every other product, you'll see more choices and more access and more availability.

The profit motive spurs innovation and efficiency. Government bureaucracy strangles both.

Health Care
How did medical care used to work? Somehow when the government started mucking around in the field, the costs of health insurance premiums have gone up exponentially. Now that the government is involved, the government will have to create a solution.

I think the government should stick with figuring out how to make Medicare more self-sustaining and just stay out of the rest. If individual states want to incur bankruptcy, they should, on their own, decide to fund health care for those who have no insurance.

MA is a Great example . . .
. . . of why government shouldn't be involved in Health Care. The MA "plan" started out being somewhat workable. But after a couple of years with politicians being able to use it as a means to give away public goodies for votes - it became a typical government boondoggle.

Foxy
If you do a little research, you'll find that health care costs exploded right after the govt got involved when Medicare and Medicaid passed into law in the 60's. Instead of going bankrupt from an illness, a gubbermint bureaucrat will just let you die.

Why is Mitt (the flip-flopper) always
bragging about the MA health plan. Every time he is on TV he lauds the MA plan and says that is what he would do if he were to be president. I suppose another flip-flop is coming soon.

What A Fitting Name, "killer"!

You rail against the "old" and say that less money should be spent on them. Essentially, you are arguing for a NHS System, with its NICE Board. Many of the "old and infirm" in the UK get "feel good until you die" medication.

But, the system goes even further. It limits the annual expenditure on an individual basis to £30,000 to £40,000; thus, even the young may not receive the medical care that they desperately need.

St. Denis
It is reverse "Triage".

In the words of our Lord and Savior...
"It has increased costs. It has wasted taxpayer dollars. It has limited patients' choice. It has hurt small business. It has failed to achieve its goal of universal coverage. Most objectionable, it has created shortages and waiting lists."

Or, to put it more directly, in the words of our Lord and Savior, Der Fuhrer Obama, "MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!"

killer

So, you want bureaucrats in DC to decide who lives and who dies. What is next? The pols will decide which mothers can deliver their babies and which ones must have abortions???

Now, how do you get around the Hippocratic Oath ... first, do no harm? Thus, will the doctors be forced to abandon their oath so as to please pols in DC?

True free-market healthcare doesnt exist
There was a time in this country when a hospital stay was $10/night (50 when adjusted for inflation), checkups were $5 (25 when adjusted) and neighborhood doctors made night-time house-calls in the middle of the night, in a snowstorm, and charged $2 for it (10 when adjusted). This was without health insurance. Then the government decided to get involved and make things affordable with Medicare, Medicaid, HMOs, SCHIP, the prescription drug add-on, etc...

Now here we are.

Mitt
"Why is Mitt (the flip-flopper) always
bragging about the MA health plan."

He's a typical politician. Bragging about the MA plan lets him talk out of both sides of his mouth. It expanded the role of government in healthcare while it was semantically billed as a free market solution.

Kevin
You can thank 'Nit Wit' Mitt for health care in Massachusetts.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5oNupWKRZs

Is Cato always right Phyllis?
NO!

MTF has given the report that actually states the facts. Give the truth a try Phyllis, yuh might live a better life, and write articles of merit. You're wrong about Mass Care costs too. Check the trends and statistics from here http://www.familiesusa.org/resources/publications/reports/ premiums-vs-paychecks-2008.html This will let you read real evidence of every state in the U.S.. It clearly shows that all states have had enormous health insurance premium increases since 2000. Reading the statistics shows Texas and Oregon had 86% increases in 8 yrs. while Mass. had an increase of just under 77%. That's 9% less. So, what's CATO doing with the numbers? Inflating for their agenda? Are you writing for your agenda? I think you are Phyllis! Come clean! Tell the truth!

http://www.masstaxpayers.org/files/Health%20care-NT.pdf

"Instead of continuing its rapid growth, Commonwealth Care enrollment peaked at 176,000 members in mid-2008 and spending has since declined. In fact, as Massachusetts faces a budget crisis of historic proportions, Commonwealth Care is expected to spend at least $69 million less than its $869 million appropriation for FY09. The surplus will be carried forward in the Commonwealth Care Trust Fund, reducing the amount that will have to be appropriated for health care reform in FY10."

Mitt's folly
It just goes to show the Rs andThe Ds are not to be trusted.

None of this matters to politicians
Because it doesn't affect them at all. Its private health care for them no matter what. Private schools for their children. Taxpayer support for virtually every living cost they incur, even clothes and food. Certainly traffic laws don't apply to them, as anyone who has driven on the beltway can attest. Their own policies do not affect these people in the least; and we support their sterile environment while the gibbering liberal minions thirst for yet more Stalinist destruction.

When politcians have to live with the consequences of the policies they implement, then we would see a much more circumspect government.

Gibbering? OSW,
When facts come into play, discussion can follow. You're not wrong to assert that politicians will be more careful to consider consequences if they were to lead by example. As historical fact, that does not occur.

So, for the realist (myself), you and some others around TH I see facts as our gateway. But what gets under my skin is the obsfucation of facts by the likes of Shlafly and her ilk.

The facts are that statistics of actual data are only available up to 2006, with 2007 an excluded year while the U.S. Dept of Health... updated it's database software. It will not offer 2008 until some time in Oct. this year. Therefore to speculate upon data that is surmised, manipulated, or conferred upon us as some benefit implies we can discuss this issue without ignorance.

We are all ignorant OSW, none of us know the data yet. We are not stupid, but we are ignorant.

Can we agree that waiting for October 2009 to pass another judgement is actually common sense?

Families USA is not a reliable source
"MTF has given the report that actually states the facts. Give the truth a try Phyllis, yuh might live a better life, and write articles of merit. You're wrong about Mass Care costs too. Check the trends and statistics from here http://www.familiesusa.org/resources/publications/reports/ premiums-vs-paychecks-2008.html"

FWIW:


"Families USA is a progressive American non-profit consumer health-care advocacy organization. It was co-founded by attorney Ron Pollack, its current executive director, and Philippe Villers, the organization's current President. Pollack was Dean of Antioch School of Law, and argued cases involving food aid for low-income Americans before the Supreme Court.

In 1997, President Bill Clinton appointed Pollack as the sole consumer representative on the Presidential Advisory Commission on Consumer Protection and Quality in the Health Care Industry, where he worked on the Patients’ Bill of Rights.

Families USA is an influential health-care lobbyist in Washington, D.C. They've taken positions on every major piece of health care legislation, most recently the Medicare Part D plan.

The Hill newspaper named Pollack and Families USA one of the top twelve lobbyists on health insurance issues. "Lobby League: Health Insurance". The Hill. 2005-06-15. http://thehill.com/business--lobby/lobby-league-health-ins urance-2005-06-15.html. Retrieved on 2008-02-16."

More on Familiesusa.org
http://www.familiesusa.org/resources/action-center/

Here are their "healthcare positions." This site is more of a cheerleading section for Obama then anything else.

To Joel
The problem is that many progressives in our nation have no intention of voluntarily giving to help others, and they assume that everyone else is the same way. Besides, they hate the thought that they might end up giving more than others. So the answer is to take charity out of individual hands and make it a government function. That way everybody gives whether they want to or not, and everybody gives (roughly) the same proportion.

Besides which, if charity is in government hands, the progressives can ensure that money goes to their favority agendas.

Linda
What specifically and precisely did the legislature do to Romney's plan that changed it so dramatically? I have been researching it and can't find the 'changes' of which you speak. Further, when he bragged about it during the GOP primary, he never said that it was changed or distorted. It was what he pointed to as his glowing accomplishment. It has been a disaster since its outset, both in terms of patient care and cost. The wait for healthcare in Boston is three to seven times longer than in Los Angeles, New York, Washington D.C., Chicago, and Miami.

The #1 Reason Against ObamaCare

Yes, it would cost more and lead to rationing, but the fact that DC politicians would not be subjected to ObamaCare is the reason that you should be against it.

If it is not good enough for the politicians, why would you think that it is good enough for YOU?

More Reasons To Be Against ObamaCare
Obama talks about a health care board along the lines of the UK's NICE Board. If this is not enough to scare the cr@p out of everyone.

Where would it end conceivably? How about pencil pushers in DC deciding that a woman can't have her unborn child because it is defective or because she already has 3 kids? Could China's one-child policy be far behind?

As for the Constitution, they hate it because it is full of negative rights; i.e., it limits the power of the Politburo.

"Congress Shall Make No Law" ... The Supreme Court tells Congress to read the damn Constitution. Child pornography does NOT violate the 1st Amendment unless it is found to be obscene according to local standards.

http://www.reason.com/news/show/34243.html

The "General Welfare" clause is extremely limited and mandates that which is done for one group must be given to all.

ObamaCare fails to meet both tests in the General Welfare Clause.


Now, who was the original "Party of NO"? The answer is the FOUNDING FATHERS.

Mitt to blame???
Mitt made the following comment in February, 2007 in regards to the changes the MA legislature was making to the health care plan:

"It is very tempting as a legislator to say, 'You're right, we'll change the law so you don't have to pay anything,' and once that happens, now you start attracting people from all over that want to come get free care, and then the price starts going up, and taxpayers are going to start feeling a burden, and employers will start leaving the state."

These are the kind of tweaks that democrats were putting into the MA healthcare plan, which ultimately caused its failure.

I am the "uninsured"
I take issue with the idea that health insurance is more important than
Eating
My Mortgage
Clothes

Decades of "Wrongness"
"Schafly is wrong that private enterprise is best at running a health care system. We have been trying it in the US for many decades now and it has failed us miserably."

The decades that interest me, are the ones since Medicare began in 1965. Deal with these numbers, foxylady.

http://www.forbes.com/2009/05/14/taxes-social-security-opin ions-columnists-medicare.html

That Social Security and Medicare's "unfunded liability" is now over a hundred trillion dollars tells me our top two social-ism's are running up a pretty big tab, and that too many of us are ignoring the "pay me now, or pay me later" bromide.

I'm very opposed to any new "social-isms" enacted prior to rehah and repair of these two old ones. Add five, seven, ten years to the min/max age requirements for collecting Social Security, for instance. Repeal, at the very least, the prescription drug benefit portion of Medicare, if not the whole darn thing.

Call me anti-social. Phyllis...call me any time. I'll hook you up with my dad.

There's Already Talk...

About repealing the 22nd Amendment so that Obama could be Dictator* For Life?

Earlier today, Andrea Mitchell and others at MSNBC were discussing the virtues of Dictators-for-Life and centralized planning.**


* Notice that Obama sides with the dictators. Ahmadinejad & the Mullahs in the Iranian conflict and Chavez and Castro relative to Honduras' ouster of its president, who wanted to be President-for-Life.

** Too bad that neither Stalin nor the millions of Ukrainians, who are all dead, because they could tell you that centralized planning means death.

I prefer FREEDOM
If I buy health insurance for our family of 6 it would cost more than 20% of our income. It will still cost that if the government "forces" us to pay for it. Then we won't have money for essentials. Of course it is more important for some people but most of the people but most seriously ill people are already covered under one government program or another.
And many of our friends that voted for Obama to get thalth care and currently don't have insurance have plenty of cash for discretionary things, but they want me to pay for their health insurance. FAT CHANCE. The fact is they will still be paying for it, only they will be forced to pay for it.
"We" are already subsidizing health insurance for everyone else... through the tax deductions and medicaid and medicare and disability...but as self employed and small business employees we only qualify to PAY for it. We get no benefits.

How about a tax credit for insurance, for everyone?
How about a deduction for all medical expenses your insurance doesn't pay for?
Again, for everyone.

That would be fair and free.



What about mandates?
What I am against most of all is government mandated health care - or a fine if you opt out.

I find it odd that people are supporting this. Especially when Obama said that health care costs can be driven down if healthy people are not allowed to "opt out". To me that sounds like they would welcome me to pay a premium so that other people can get their frivolous office visits covered. Why should I be mandated to purchase insurance?

Liberals don't care.

In case you haven't figured it out by now, Liberals just don't care how many people they hurt.

They are unable to provide for themselves and their families so they expect others to do it for them.

Hawaii Universal Healthcare
I really hate cut and paste, but this is an article about the only existing universal healthcare in the country that was scrape for almost sinking Hawaii into bankruptcy.
http://www.openmarket.org/2008/11/01/imagine-free-health-ca re-is-expensive/

1090-HC
What Ms. Schlafly does fail to mention here- unless I missed it- Massachusetts FORCES us to have health care, or you risk financial penalty; when we file our taxes every year, we are sent a form called 1090-HC which provides us certain info on our respective health care providers, and we must input that on our tax return. If you do not have this info you are hit with a $600 penalty on your return. So when I lose my job in a few months, which is a possibility, I have to pay for wallet-raping Cobra, or take a $600 hit. I might rather pay up the $600. Damned if I do, damned if I don't.

What absolutely kills me though, and Ms Schlafly also fails to mention this, is that my state's health care plan is a product of Mitt Romney's administration, and this "reform" was something he proudly spearheaded. That is not to say some horrible changes may have been made since Mitt left- which was 2 years before his term actually ended remember. It is MA and we are run by leftist bufoons all across the state. But forcing us to have Health Care- the basic premise of this whole plan- was a product of Mitt Romney. Sounds very un-Mitt doesn't it? Unfortunately, it isn't.

Anyone Want To Take A Whack...

At what the pre-Amendment XXII President, FDR, called his "Czars"?

DICTATORS.

Obama has named a Health Care Czar.

If you think that I am kidding about a movement to repeal the 22nd Amendment, please see:

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d111:h.j.res.00005:

PlanoBlue

You might want to read my posts on the Limbaugh thread where I demonstrate that the "Usual Suspects", including Wall Street, are already prepared to benefit from the cap-n-TRADE.

Suffice it to say that ENRON was one of the first proponents of cap-n-TRADE back in the 1990s.

PlanoBlue
If you live in Plano, I can imagine why you are
blue.


Phyllis
Two serious problems with Mass. healthcare.
The insurance companies are still involved, and
health care is not universal.

Obamacare
The federal government currently runs social security, medicare and medicade - all three are broke or near broke. Medicare/medicade are 54 trillion dollars in the red since creation in 1965. I have ZERO confidence in the federal government running health care. I will happily accept the same health care our congressmen and senators receive!

Oh, did you know the "Energy Department" was created in 1977 to reduce our dependence on foreign oil? They too have done a great job, right? Cap and Trade anyone?

Killer
Sooo...let the old folks just die, eh? Do you know how old Einstein was when he discovered how to make an atomic bomb. He was 60.

It's idiots like you that the lord should take but I guess the devil keeps you going doing his work. Jerk!

About 97% Coverage..not too shabby
About 97% of Massachusetts residents have coverage now. Not too shabby in terms of overall coverage. Is it all roses and birthday cake? No.

I've found the system relatively decent to navigate and don't mind paying a little extra to help the less fortunate.Being my brother's keeper is more rewarding and important than adding another snow mobile, motorcyle or simply adding more trinkets to my household.

Two of the mistakes that Romney however was:
1:Not providing a preventative incentive such as encouraging gymn memberships, having public campaigns/commericals to work out, banning junk food like twinkies and cola which only feed disease and diabetes and not raising taxes enough on cancer sticks (cigarettes) and
2:Failing to require Massachusetts to buy prescription meds on the world market at state negotiated prices for a better value.
2:Failing to cap CEO salaries which drives up health premiums much faster than inflation WITHOUT any gain in health outcomes. No one should be earning more than $1 million annually, and some of the CEO's (William McGuire) are earning $1.6 Billion annually ($800,000.00 hourly). Greedy CEO's are America's inflation drivers an hurt the system for everyone.

The most cost-effective way for our nation to rein in costs and achieve better medical outcomes is through better a single payer system. Over 1 million Americans have already signed up for it. Here's the link for those interested in the plan:
http://singlepayeraction.org/

Mary Jo Kopeckne Healthcare Model
No wonder its not working. Nothing does or will when sponsored by Drown em Ted Kennedy D-MA

Ask your adult children this question, If I or my wife have cancer, and have to wait months or years to see a doctor or get Radiation treatment, would they "Vote Yes" on Obamacare?
Would they "Vote Yes" if their Grandfather or Grandmother needed a critical operation to extend their lives and were denied Trteatment due to their age?
If they still would demand Obamacare or Mary Jo Government Healthcare then you know where you stand. You will know what actions to take with the Legislators, and change your Will so that your children who think Obamacare is good for you does not receive any of your estate.


Great Article
Mrs. Schlafly, I hope this explains why I didn't vote for Mitt Romney in 2008, and will not vote for him in 2012. He supported and endorsed this plan, after he changed his views on abortion. Now that being a Moderate Republican is the thing to be, I think Voting for the Republicans will only get us more of the same or I would call it Diet Obama. No sugar and no transfatty acids.

PlanoBlue

Is Andrea Mitchell and PMSNBC "alarmist"?

Did you read my posts about the would-be beneficiaries of cap-n-TRADE? Goldman-Sachs, General Electric, the Pelosi family, Soros, T. Boone Pickens, etc. The usual suspects.

Hell, they even gave my industry (O&G) free offsets.

Remember, ENRON was the first to clammor about cap-n-TRADE back in the 1990s.

Talk about "exotic financial instruments". Credit default swaps are jealous.

"health" care
Now that Al Frankenstein has been declared the winner of the Senate race in Minnesota, The communists can prevent a filibuster by the Republicans. So, we are in for government health care, cap and trade, condemnation of Christianity, etc. Full blown communism, here we come.

Eddie L
I hear you. I won't ever vote for him either. Dan has it nailed down. First is some bleeding heart who just got back from a meeting of socialists. Romney took Ma. health care as his bragging right during the primary. He always seems to think people are too stupid to catch on to him. We've got an idiot in office now. I won't vote for a flip-flopping prima donna to follow him.

First
Where did you learn to count? They don't teach you that 3 follows 2 in Ma.? Rest assured I would never hire you to make a presentation.

Never Romney
I also will eschew Hugh Hewitt's coronation of Romney as the candidate of choice. How exactly he's a Conservative I'll never know. I don't mind him being a Republican in the NorEast (Senator or Governor is fine), but I don't want that for our Republican President. Sorry. Romney-Care, that he continually bragged about, is just one problem. And he's just another go-along Establishment Type that won't say no when he ought to.

It wouldn't shock me at all to learn that these pre-emptive strikes against Palin are coming from ex-Romney supporters or future Romney campaigners. Any takers on that bet?

Impressive
I'm impressed that Ms. Schlafly can write a column debunking the Massachusetts health care system and fail to mention Mitt Romney. Considering he's the man who worked diligently on the bill, signed it into law and even used a line item veto to reduce dental coverage in order to make room for state subsidy for abortions. Patient pays 50 bucks state picks up the rest. Wonder why the systems failing.

Oh well, the CATO institute as well as Club For Growth have always been quick to give rich Mitt a pass as well.

Government FOR THE PEOPLE
So the 'Best Health Care System in the World" has a Shortage of Doctors.

And since we have a shortage of doctors those that go with no healthcare we should just say to them 'Tough' - I got mine !

I think you conservatives remember the Government Of the People and By the People.. but somehow forget Government FOR THE PEOPLE !

What is the value of a healthier Population ?

PlanoBlue
"St. Denis In Obama's Red America
Couldn't help myself, had to look at Jose Serrano's proposal to repeal the 22nd ammendment."

I know, but Andrea Mitchell and PMSNBC are musing about the same subject.

"You guys are alarmists....."

See above.

Doesn't Romney
like the Mass. plan?

MA Healthcare
I live in MA. Our health insurance DOUBLED. We used to have only major medical and paid regular bills out of pocket. We can no longer do this - it is not allowed. We are forced to have certain coverages whether we want or need it or not. I have 3 children and my husband has a vasectomy and we are forced to have fertility treatments as a coverage.
Perhaps it is those whose fertility treatments I am paying for who are happy with the new rules. As an added insult I am opposed on religious principles to most fertility treatments.
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